Kicked PAT

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ref inSoCA

BJ (5) or LJ (4) is the only whistle.

If you blow it when it is kicked it you are killing the ball and it cannot score.

Stunning how we count it EVERY time even though we blow the whistle.

Nobody has ever marked anyone down where I'm from for this.

[Theisey]

If you use standard NFHS mechanics (5-man), the R whistles the play over if and only if the TRY is blocked. Otherwise, the BJ takes the whistle.

[Texas Aggie]

NCAA: Backjudge is the only one with the whistle even in his mouth to blow. However, defenses can return the PAT for their own score in our rules. The BJ will blow as soon as the ball passes them (or hits the EZ untouched), look at the LJ (or FG), say "Yes," or "No" and then they both signal. Obviously, the one making the call on their side will initiate the yes/no.

I guess another question is, regardless of code, which official makes the call if the two under the uprights for whatever reason disagree?

[NorCalRef12]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

NCAA: Backjudge is the only one with the whistle even in his mouth to blow. However, defenses can return the PAT for their own score in our rules. The BJ will blow as soon as the ball passes them (or hits the EZ untouched), look at the LJ (or FG), say "Yes," or "No" and then they both signal. Obviously, the one making the call on their side will initiate the yes/no.

I guess another question is, regardless of code, which official makes the call if the two under the uprights for whatever reason disagree?

The way we work it is the BJ and LJ are under the uprights, each official has his upright and the BJ has the crossbar all the way across. There shouldn't be any disagreement.

If the BJ didn't have an opinion on the cross bar he can ask for help, but the LJ shouldn't speak up about the crossbar unless asked. Each official has their own area of responsibility, they shouldn't officiate in another officials area.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Theisey

If you use standard NFHS mechanics (5-man), the R whistles the play over if and only if the TRY is blocked. Otherwise, the BJ takes the whistle.

We don't. Oh well.

I would if I could count on a strong, consistent whistle, but I can't. So I blow it. It hasn't done us in yet.

If I worked NCAA rules, I would not (BTW).

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by Theisey

If you use standard NFHS mechanics (5-man), the R whistles the play over if and only if the TRY is blocked. Otherwise, the BJ takes the whistle.

That's what we do now. My former crew once worked with our white hat a long ways off from the goal line (54 yard attempt...kid made 50 earlier) and whistled a long FG kick dead when he thought it had crossed the goal line and it hadn't. Ugly IW.

[NJumpire9]

IN NJ, BJ has the whistle in a 5 man crew, and R only if the kick is blocked.

[jTheUmp]

On my (MN) crew, our BJ sounds the whistle when the ball clears the upright. If the kick is blocked, it's either the R or one of the wing officials.

Not sure if other states do this or not, but in MN we have the BJ and U under the uprights on all trys and FG attempts.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

On my (MN) crew, our BJ sounds the whistle when the ball clears the upright. If the kick is blocked, it's either the R or one of the wing officials.

Not sure if other states do this or not, but in MN we have the BJ and U under the uprights on all trys and FG attempts.

Who watches the line play and for roughing the snapper?

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Who watches the line play and for roughing the snapper?

The umpire still has that responsibility... although it's admittedly difficult on longer field goal attempts.

Having the U under the upright for all FG attempts is new this year... prior to 2009, the U is under the upright if the kick was from inside the 15... if the kick is from outside the 15, only the BJ was under the upright. (Unless it was a "game-deciding attempt"). We changed this year to make the positioning simpler and more consistent (some crews had the U under the upright on all attempts prior to 2009).

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

The umpire still has that responsibility... although it's admittedly difficult on longer field goal attempts.

Having the U under the upright for all FG attempts is new this year... prior to 2009, the U is under the upright if the kick was from inside the 15... if the kick is from outside the 15, only the BJ was under the upright. (Unless it was a "game-deciding attempt"). We changed this year to make the positioning simpler and more consistent (some crews had the U under the upright on all attempts prior to 2009).

You put an U back on a FIVE man crew? My goodness, you value a second wing over an umpire on a KICK try or FG?

We work by the book with my crew:

4-man. R has the uprights. Wing on the side opposite the R stays on the line and watches for roughing on the kicker/holder. Wing on R's side goes to the end line and gives a thumbs up or thumbs down on the crossbar. If there's a fake or a fire situation, that wing can quickly get to the pylon and the R follows behind.

5-man we run 2 back at ANY distance. BJ and the wing on the R's side.

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

On my (MN) crew, our BJ sounds the whistle when the ball clears the upright. If the kick is blocked, it's either the R or one of the wing officials.

Not sure if other states do this or not, but in MN we have the BJ and U under the uprights on all trys and FG attempts.

You'll never see a U under the pipes in my state.

My crew puts the LJ under the pipes regardless of the foot of the kicker. I've seen others in the area that put either wing under the pipes with the BJ depending to the foot of the kicker.