coaches box foul

[HLin NC]

And also in NC we've been notified that if an official makes contact in the restricted area during a live ball with a coach, player, or other team personnel, we go to DEFCON 1, flag it, skip the SLW, and assess the USC to the head coach and then follow the normal progression for further sideline infractions.

[ChickenOfNC]

Yep. Hope tomorrow night goes smoothly in that regard. I have my doubts though

[Jim D.]

I like the approach we're taking in Missouri; I think we'll have few problems. Since the coach is legally allowed to be in the area up to the time the ball is snapped, we aren't going to worry about it at all during the dead ball period. There is really nothing to enforce (other than 3 coach maximum). Once the ball is snapped, our attention must be on the field. We'll catch this when the ball goes near or crosses the sideline. As we run down the sideline or if a player goes out of bounds, the BJ, wing and R will throw the flag if anyone is in the restricted zone.

We will go with the 3 phase approach, even if we run into a coach ( no automatic 15 yards)

[infj23]

Not sure how well it's going to work, but my crew is going to work it this way:

At the ready-for-play signal, the wings (who would be on/near the sideline anyway), will back up to the front line of the team box. A quick glance either way will let them know if anyone is in the restricted area. If necessary, a call of "back up so you are behind me" will be used once or twice. After that, the first flag comes out, and we start counting from there. Once the snap is immenent, the wings move back up to just inside the sideline.

We'll try it out tomorrow night! Any other thoughts on mechanics for this?

[Jim D.]

Originally Posted by infj23

Not sure how well it's going to work, but my crew is going to work it this way:

At the ready-for-play signal, the wings (who would be on/near the sideline anyway), will back up to the front line of the team box. A quick glance either way will let them know if anyone is in the restricted area. If necessary, a call of "back up so you are behind me" will be used once or twice. After that, the first flag comes out, and we start counting from there. Once the snap is immenent, the wings move back up to just inside the sideline.

We'll try it out tomorrow night! Any other thoughts on mechanics for this?

The problem is that the when the R signals RFP, the coach is standing in front of you in the box signalling in his play. You tell him to get behind you and he politely but sternly reminds you that he has a perfect right to be there and will continue to stand there until the ball is snapped.

He's called your bluff and you must either flag him for something he's allowed to do or you must back down.

[HLin NC]

He's called your bluff and you must either flag him for something he's allowed to do or you must back down.

Our state supervisor solved that by setting the time for the coaches to "retreat" back from the restricted area at the RFP whistle. They were told at the state coaches clinic, told in the pre-scrimmage rules clinics, and will be told in the pre-game conference.

As for us, our playoff lives are at stake if he sees film of the rule not being enforced so I'm fairly confident the SLW's will come fast and furious for the next 2-3 weeks.

[bigjohn]

This is in the Ohio 2009 Season Manual for coaches and officials.

Sideline Safety

The sideline SHALL be clear of all players and coaches from the sideline to six feet outside the sideline. Please review NEW rules 2-3-g and 10-8-3. As a practical application – when the center touches the ball, the restricted area will be clear.


B. There is no longer a “coaches box”. When the ball is live no one shall be within 6 feet of the sideline. When the snapper touches the ball the restricted area will be cleared. All players and coaches shall be in the team box.

http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/ft/boys/manual.pdf

[Jim D.]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

Our state supervisor solved that by setting the time for the coaches to "retreat" back from the restricted area at the RFP whistle. They were told at the state coaches clinic, told in the pre-scrimmage rules clinics, and will be told in the pre-game conference.

As for us, our playoff lives are at stake if he sees film of the rule not being enforced so I'm fairly confident the SLW's will come fast and furious for the next 2-3 weeks.

OK, that's a NC rule/interpretation so you have to go with it. For the rest of us, I think that would cause more problems that it solves since it's such an agressive approach.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jim D.

The problem is that the when the R signals RFP, the coach is standing in front of you in the box signalling in his play. You tell him to get behind you and he politely but sternly reminds you that he has a perfect right to be there and will continue to stand there until the ball is snapped.

He's called your bluff and you must either flag him for something he's allowed to do or you must back down.

That's fine, but if he's not behind the line at the moment the ball is snapped, he's getting flagged. He doesn't get to "go behind after the snap."

And we will be very aggressive on this during the season. Our playoffs were threatened, too.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

That's fine, but if he's not behind the line at the moment the ball is snapped, he's getting flagged. He doesn't get to "go behind after the snap."

And we will be very aggressive on this during the season. Our playoffs were threatened, too.

It's depressing hearing the crusty 35-year-vets at an association meeting (I belong to 3 and run the meetings this year for 1 of them) tonight talking about "tolerance" and "not going in with guns (flag) a-blazing." Of course, this is all driven by not wanting to pi$$ off the guys who rate them and their precious crews.

I simply don't care. We'll mention it in the pregame with the coaches, I'll have our wings remind them postgame, and they'll get one warning -- the sideline warning. After that, it costs them yardage.

If we're consistent from the first game, this will not be a problem at all within a week or two. And this moment reminds me why it's overboard to belong to 3 groups, too.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

That's fine, but if he's not behind the line at the moment the ball is snapped, he's getting flagged. He doesn't get to "go behind after the snap."

And we will be very aggressive on this during the season. Our playoffs were threatened, too.

Since Indiana playoff assignments are done mostly based on coaches' votes, our playoffs could be threatened for enforcing this.

[ChickenOfNC]

Originally Posted by Jim D.

The problem is that the when the R signals RFP, the coach is standing in front of you in the box signalling in his play. You tell him to get behind you and he politely but sternly reminds you that he has a perfect right to be there and will continue to stand there until the ball is snapped.

He's called your bluff and you must either flag him for something he's allowed to do or you must back down.

Guess it depends on whether his state association will have his back. NC has mandated us to enforce it from the RFP.

[chymechowder]

I wish the MIAA (massachusetts) would make that a point of emphasis. I'm a linesman, and you wouldnt believe how many assistant coaches think the restricted area is in fact their coaches box.

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

And also in NC we've been notified that if an official makes contact in the restricted area during a live ball with a coach, player, or other team personnel, we go to DEFCON 1, flag it, skip the SLW, and assess the USC to the head coach and then follow the normal progression for further sideline infractions.

That makes sense. Since it is a safety issue, the contact should be given the most severe penalty: REFCON 1

[parepat]

We have been advised in my state (OH) that the fouls will not accrue against the head coach such that if there are three fouls against three assistant coaches, the head coach would not be ejected. Is that the way the rest of you are working it.