OSU/Texas ending

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by Forksref

I think a 4-team playoff is do-able to end this bickering. All you do is rotate the semis among the major bowls each year and have the final the next week. There aren't more than 4 teams that are at the very top in any year.

This year I think there could be more than 4 I would like to see in that playoff: Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, Alabama, USC, Utah and maybe Penn State or Texas Tech. That would have made a great 8-team playoff as well! If you had to go with 4, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama would not have been bad but Utah's win makes that discussion even more interesting.

I've always enjoyed the Bowl games as they are and would be fine if they stuck with that and did NOT have a national champion at all. If they want to have a national champion though, I think they need to go to a playoff. They can keep the other bowls for teams that don't make the playoffs but a national champion for a team sport that keeps score needs to have its champion determined by a playoff.

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

This year I think there could be more than 4 I would like to see in that playoff: Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, Alabama, USC, Utah and maybe Penn State or Texas Tech. That would have made a great 8-team playoff as well! If you had to go with 4, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama would not have been bad but Utah's win makes that discussion even more interesting.

Or, we could just cut to the chase and have #1 and #2 play, which is what we have Thursday, and cut out the middleman.

Had Florida not been in the BCS title game, I'd have said, "Fine. Shouldn't have lost to Ole Miss at home." (And I went to Florida).

Everybody has a ding on their record. Please don't tell me about Utah. Good team. If you honestly think they're one of the two best teams in the country, fine, but I don't see it.

Dumbass Laura Okmin after the game last night talking about how "nobody thought you should be here," which is completely asinine. Talk to the Big 12 about how they break ties for a division title. You could have put Texas in Thursday's game just as easily as Oklahoma (and maybe Texas Tech, until they got smacked by Ole Miss). These are fine distinctions when you get down to deciding between one-loss teams.

Oklahoma and Florida have impressive bodies of work (as do some other teams). Sorry about your luck if you have an impressive body of work and don't get into the one game at the end, but those are the breaks.

Yeah, I'm pro-playoff. Present me with a format that everybody can live with. Good luck.

[Forksref]

Originally Posted by OverAndBack

Present me with a format that everybody can live with. Good luck.

Wow, that should be easy to do! I wonder if God has a little free time to work on it this year.

I still say, top 4. If you have top 4 or top 8 or top 16, there will ALWAYS be some teams and supporters saying they should be higher than 5 or 9 or 17. I contend that you can pick a top 4 that can be supported by most people who are reasonable.

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by Forksref

I contend that you can pick a top 4 that can be supported by most people who are reasonable.

We can't pick a top 2, a top 4 might only be 50% less contentious.

The problem is, most people aren't reasonable. Hell, Todd Blackledge during whatever the hell bowl game he was doing said you should take five bowl games (I forget which ones, the usual suspects) and then "take two of those five winners."

How the hell is that going to solve anything?

There's always going to be somebody who *****es, and usually quite loudly from a bully pulpit, even if they're full of crap.

The bottom line is this: ESPN has just made a major financial commitment to the current system. It's not going to be used as a preliminary to a "real" top two or top four or top eight situation because that devalues their investment and they're not going to throw more money on top of that IF the powers that be come up with a Plus-1 or whatever.

I chuckle when I some talking head says, "Man it would be great to have (insert team here) play the winner of Florida/Oklahoma." Yeah, but why? How many shots are you going to get?

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by OverAndBack

I chuckle when I some talking head says, "Man it would be great to have (insert team here) play the winner of Florida/Oklahoma." Yeah, but why? How many shots are you going to get?

Exactly! And what about the year where there really are 2 undefeated team and one of them wins the game? Is it fair for them to have to play a game against a team that has already lost once just because we HAVE to have a +1. I definitely don't like that option. Either have a playoff (I prefer at least 8 teams) to determine a national champion or have a bowl system with no national champion.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by OverAndBack

Or, we could just cut to the chase and have #1 and #2 play, which is what we have Thursday, and cut out the middleman.

Had Florida not been in the BCS title game, I'd have said, "Fine. Shouldn't have lost to Ole Miss at home." (And I went to Florida).

Everybody has a ding on their record. Please don't tell me about Utah. Good team. If you honestly think they're one of the two best teams in the country, fine, but I don't see it.

Dumbass Laura Okmin after the game last night talking about how "nobody thought you should be here," which is completely asinine. Talk to the Big 12 about how they break ties for a division title. You could have put Texas in Thursday's game just as easily as Oklahoma (and maybe Texas Tech, until they got smacked by Ole Miss). These are fine distinctions when you get down to deciding between one-loss teams.

Oklahoma and Florida have impressive bodies of work (as do some other teams). Sorry about your luck if you have an impressive body of work and don't get into the one game at the end, but those are the breaks.

Yeah, I'm pro-playoff. Present me with a format that everybody can live with. Good luck.

Seed the 4 BCS bowls with the top 8 teams and move them to December
23rd and 24th. The winner of those 4 bowl games play January 1st and 3rd. The winner of those two games plays January 16th. This pushes the season out only 8 more days. It could have been done this year. There were only two bowls on the 23rd and 24th(Poinsettia and Sheraton Hawaii bowls). These could have been moved to December 22nd.

I don't believe anybody can argue that the best team in college football will be ranked out of the top 8.

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by rwest

Seed the 4 BCS bowls with the top 8 teams and move them to December 23rd and 24th.

Very possibly a non-starter for the bowls involved.

We could come up with formats all day long.

The problem is getting buy-in from everybody involved.

I doubt very seriously that 4 BCS bowls would have been all in favor of moving from their dates to December 23 and 24. Just a guess.