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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 02:20pm
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I don't believe NFL teams are required to attempt a try in such a case.

They don't in OT.
I understand in NFL OT because if you score a TD you go up by 6 and even if the defense could score they would still lose the game.

In college the defense can score a 2 point play on a point after try. So if the 6 points from the TD causes the defending team to be down by 2 or less they would want the attempt to be tried cause they could score to tie or win.

But that doesn't seem to be the case.
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 03:49pm
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I understand in NFL OT because if you score a TD you go up by 6 and even if the defense could score they would still lose the game.
BUt the defense can't score on a try.
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 04:22pm
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BUt the defense can't score on a try.
"I understand in NFL OT because if you score a TD you go up by 6 and even if the defense could score they would still lose the game."

I understand this. I was simply pointing out that IF the defense could score it wouldn't change the winner of the game only the final score. So there is no reason to kick it in NFL overtime.

The question stands. If a team scores as time expires in a NFL or NCAA game do they have to attempt the PAT.
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 05:25pm
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The defense CAN score on a try in the NCAA. I'm unsure abou tthe NFL. I don't have my rule book handy but I do have my Rogers Redding guide at my side with a rule reference.

Here's what it says along with an example:

"The only time it is not attempted is when a touchdown is scored during the last down of the game and the point(s) would not affect the outcome of the game (8-3-2a). Here is an example.

Example 9-60: Middle Coast University scores as the game clock expires in the fourth quarter to go ahead of Holy Athlete University by (a) one or two point(s), or (b) by three points.

Ruling:

In (a) the try must be attempted as Holy Athlete can score on the try and affect the outcome of the game. In (b), the game is over. The try is not attempted.

Note: The book says "In (a) and (b) the try must be attempted as Holy Athlete..." but I realize the "and(b)" piece is an edit mistake.
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 06:26pm
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The defense CAN score on a try in the NCAA. I'm unsure abou tthe NFL. I don't have my rule book handy but I do have my Rogers Redding guide at my side with a rule reference.

Here's what it says along with an example:

"The only time it is not attempted is when a touchdown is scored during the last down of the game and the point(s) would not affect the outcome of the game (8-3-2a). Here is an example.

Example 9-60: Middle Coast University scores as the game clock expires in the fourth quarter to go ahead of Holy Athlete University by (a) one or two point(s), or (b) by three points.

Ruling:

In (a) the try must be attempted as Holy Athlete can score on the try and affect the outcome of the game. In (b), the game is over. The try is not attempted.

Note: The book says "In (a) and (b) the try must be attempted as Holy Athlete..." but I realize the "and(b)" piece is an edit mistake.
This seems to be the case. But from the 2005 UM PSU game it isn't the case. Unless the rule is relatively new. Is there a link online to a NCAA rulebook. The only thing I have been able to find is the thing on the NFL.com homepage which only has select rulings.
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 07:10pm
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NCAA Rulebook:

http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uplo...d26b95e6c1.pdf

Check out rule 8-3-1, pg FR-108. I think the answer is somewhere in there.
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 09:08pm
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In the NFL OT is sudden death. Game over on first score.

In NCAA, if I were the team to go ahead on the last play, I'd take a knee on the PAT if, indeed, the play is required to be run. If they require it, it seems like a waste of time.
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