Trick Play from Memphis-Louisville Game

[daggo66]

Unless the QB said something, or someone on the sidline said something, I still have nothing. He just turned and walked away roling his hands as if he was looking for a new set of signals from the sideline.

[Mike L]

Originally Posted by daggo66

Unless the QB said something, or someone on the sidline said something, I still have nothing. He just turned and walked away roling his hands as if he was looking for a new set of signals from the sideline.

So the QB walking away from the center rolling his hands as if he is looking for a new set of signals from the sideline does NOT communicate the snap is not imminent to you?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by daggo66

Unless the QB said something, or someone on the sidline said something, I still have nothing. He just turned and walked away roling his hands as if he was looking for a new set of signals from the sideline.

So if that is the case, how are his actions not actions that would lead the defense to believe the snap was not imminent?

[Ed Hickland]

The fact the QB goes under center, then turns toward the bench leads one to believe a snap is not imminent under NFHS rules is unsportsmanlike conduct. The play should be blown dead immediately.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Ed Hickland

The fact the QB goes under center, then turns toward the bench leads one to believe a snap is not imminent under NFHS rules is unsportsmanlike conduct. The play should be blown dead immediately.

Whoa, just turning toward the bench? With no other indication that he or his teammates are not ready? What if that's just his shifting or going MIM? I have video from the 1940s of a "turnstile" QB. On plays where he wasn't getting the snap he'd start rotating just prior to the snap, opening the path for the ball to go thru. It had nothing to do with misleading the defense into thinking the snap was not imminent. (Of course, if that was in the era of the ban on coaching from the sidelines, getting a signal from the bench would've been illegal anyway.)

Robert

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Ed Hickland

The fact the QB goes under center, then turns toward the bench leads one to believe a snap is not imminent under NFHS rules is unsportsmanlike conduct. The play should be blown dead immediately.

So if the QB goes under center, then turns and goes in motion AWAY from his bench, you're OK with that? You would let that play run?

[Illini_Ref]

I think OverAndBack is getting confused with the language in the case book. I did too until I read it about 5 times.

If a play includes actions or verbiage intended to deceive PRIOR to the snap then the foul is a dead ball foul. You have to wait until the snap to decide that, but the play is then blown dead and the foul enforced as a dead ball foul because THE CONDUCT OCCURRED BEFORE THE SNAP, even though you can't recognize it until the snap.

At least that's how I interpret it.

[OverAndBack]

And that's fine with me. But the language is a little ambiguous. In any case, you enforce it as a dead ball foul, so I'm fine with that. The other fouls that aren't fouls until the snap are enforced as live ball fouls, this one would be an exception. That's fine.