Sayville NY Protest

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by Ed Hickland

The third down play ended at about 37-35 seconds and I debated holding the RFP finally giving it at 31 my logic being it would not be fair to not give Kings Park an opportunity in other words I did not want to influence the game.

I've heard that the average amount of time from the end of a down to the RFP is about 12-15 seconds. That's why the new college timing of 40/25 really should not be that different of a pace than what they had before. If the previous down ended at 35-37 seconds, it would not have been unusual to mark it RFP at 20-25 seconds remaining. If you had it marked RFP in 6 seconds, you must have had a runner down on his own (no tacklers on him or other to unpile) with the U right there to spot the ball right away.

[Warrenkicker]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

I've heard that the average amount of time from the end of a down to the RFP is about 12-15 seconds. That's why the new college timing of 40/25 really should not be that different of a pace than what they had before. If the previous down ended at 35-37 seconds, it would not have been unusual to mark it RFP at 20-25 seconds remaining. If you had it marked RFP in 6 seconds, you must have had a runner down on his own (no tacklers on him or other to unpile) with the U right there to spot the ball right away.

I agree. Perhaps that is your usual pace though Ed. Do you call a lot of delays of game through-out the season? If you do perhaps you could slow down your RFP through-out the entire game.

I also agree that we don't see everything. Even with 7 guys you don't see everything. Perspective limits us to usually two or three views of a play but sometimes it gets down to only one or maybe even none. I would bet that if you really looked at any game you were working that there is probably a time or two during the game where something could happen and nobody would see it. We work hard to limit those times but there is no guarantee that we can eliminate them.

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by Warrenkicker

I agree. Perhaps that is your usual pace though Ed. Do you call a lot of delays of game through-out the season? If you do perhaps you could slow down your RFP through-out the entire game.

I also agree that we don't see everything. Even with 7 guys you don't see everything. Perspective limits us to usually two or three views of a play but sometimes it gets down to only one or maybe even none. I would bet that if you really looked at any game you were working that there is probably a time or two during the game where something could happen and nobody would see it. We work hard to limit those times but there is no guarantee that we can eliminate them.

Our RFP is usually 12-15 seconds which in this area is pretty fast and we know, if you want snaps we'll give them to you. The coaches have adapted and DOGs are less than .5/game for a season, we had two in this game and both against Sayville the last one and one at 3:12 which we told the QB as time to snap and he was looking at the clock.

Not to make excuses but we started 5-man this year and there are adjustments and I will be reviewing those for tomorrow's game.

[Theisey]

Ed, 12 to 15 seconds from the end of the last play? Based on a 40 second playclock in the big leagues, your max would be dead on a for a full 25 at that point.

What I'd really like to know is your feel for how long you have been taking from the point the ball is spotted before the RFP?

We've been using 3 to 4 seconds all year any have had little problems. That point is covered in our meeting with the head coach so they know.. we're not waiting around for them. it will be consistent all game long. Ball spotted. tick tick tick then the RFP.

[Ed Hickland]

Originally Posted by Theisey

Ed, 12 to 15 seconds from the end of the last play? Based on a 40 second playclock in the big leagues, your max would be dead on a for a full 25 at that point.

What I'd really like to know is your feel for how long you have been taking from the point the ball is spotted before the RFP?

My umpire usually spots the ball within 5 seconds if in the middle and about 8-10 from the side zone.

We've been using 3 to 4 seconds all year any have had little problems. That point is covered in our meeting with the head coach so they know.. we're not waiting around for them. it will be consistent all game long. Ball spotted. tick tick tick then the RFP.

I let the coaches know before the game. Some other officials don't move the game that fast so early on I remind them especially being a DOG slows the game down.

[Forksref]

I've never been concerned with or counted the number of seconds after the ball became dead for the ball to be declared RFP. I signal RFP when it is READY FOR PLAY. No sooner nor later. The moment the ball is placed on the ground AND I see that my crew and the chains are ready, I declare it RFP. This time will vary, I am sure.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ed Hickland

Our RFP is usually 12-15 seconds which in this area is pretty fast and we know, if you want snaps we'll give them to you. The coaches have adapted and DOGs are less than .5/game for a season, we had two in this game and both against Sayville the last one and one at 3:12 which we told the QB as time to snap and he was looking at the clock.

Not to make excuses but we started 5-man this year and there are adjustments and I will be reviewing those for tomorrow's game.

I will look at our recent films at some point and figure out what we do.

I know I am patient once the ball is spotted. I'll look to both wings and the box to make sure they're all set, which takes about 3-5 seconds.

The chain crew was slow last night and they commented on my pace on first downs, which is no different than any other down. They were just slower. I do know that I got a compliment at halftime from someone working in the press box saying that we had very good pace out there.

At the end of the day, the teams adapt to the crew. We've not had a DOG in 4-5 weeks on Friday night. And with a 35-20 game last night (8 touchdowns) with homecoming (20 minute halftime), we still finished the game in 2:10.

[Anonymous67]

RFP is three ticks from when the ball is set. Huddle, no huddle, hurry-up, makes no difference.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by Anonymous67

RFP is three ticks from when the ball is set. Huddle, no huddle, hurry-up, makes no difference.

I assume you wait a little longer if there is a delay in getting the down box and/or chains set? This also assumes no other administrative delay (official getting into position, player equipment, etc.). Or do you have your umpire wait for all that is done before setting the ball?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Anonymous67

RFP is three ticks from when the ball is set. Huddle, no huddle, hurry-up, makes no difference.

I assume you mean personally and not some absolute standard. I know I'm a bit slower than that normally.

[Anonymous67]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I assume you mean personally and not some absolute standard. I know I'm a bit slower than that normally.

It is what our clinicians teach, our association endores and evaluators look for.

It is a crew effort. It requires that the HL makes sure the chain crew (particularly the box) is doing their job and that the umpire, SJ and BJ do their jobs in a manner that doesn't create a delay.