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COMMENT: Football has been and always will be a game of deception and trickery involving multiple shifts, unusual formations and creative plays. However, actions or verbiage designed to confuse the defense into believing there is problem and a snap isn’t imminent is beyond the scope of sportsmanship and is illegal. Last edited by InsideTheStripe; Sat Aug 08, 2009 at 04:27pm. Reason: Formatting |
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I've heard so many white hats ask the coach in pre-game meeting"
".......players properly equiped? Do you have any special or unusual plays that we should know about?" Last edited by Time2Ref; Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 07:59am. |
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When I was a young official, this play was rampant in Louisiana (before K State did it). It was deemed legal back then (1996 I think). Fortunately everyone has decided this is illegal.
They key is you cannot use a nonplayer (be it a coach, substitute or replaced player) to deceive the opponent. |
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The second is if the coach has any legal plays that are unusual such as the swinging gate formation (is that still legal this year?) or plays such as double reverses, etc. While we should always be on our toes for such things, it is good to have a pregame reminder that something like that might be coming.
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For one thing, a player of A could indicate a "problem" and that the snap was not imminent without involving a non-player, and it would be just as illegal. It could be "Is this the ball we use?" or "Is my chin strap on right?" and involve no more than a huddle between 2 players. For another, a non-player on the sideline could falsely shout something like, "Throw it to Zev.", and it would be legal. Maybe even shout a false count of the play or game clock, but I'm less sure about that. The rule in question addresses a specific sort of deception that has been ruled unfair, and should not be extended by interpret'n to cover other forms of deception, nor narrowed to cover only those involving ostensible communication with non-players. Robert |
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no one has to say anything. ACTIONS or VERBIAGE
actions or verbiage designed to confuse A22 acts as if he has injured a ankle but refuses assistance when asked by the referee if he is ok. during the next play he limps but doesn't participate directly in the play. On the next play, A22 goes in motion with a very severe limp, but at the snap he tears down the field, with a miracle cure and catches a long pass? Any problems? Any foul? Last edited by bigjohn; Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 08:32pm. |
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NCAA: 2 choices -- no equipment may be used to confuse the opponent, and no obviously unfair act not specifically covered may be used. We're shutting down the play. Hopefully the coach asks the question pregame and we can stop it, but if it happens and we can go with an illegal snap, we'll do that. Otherwise, 15 yards.
I'll take my chances in allowing the coach to defend his play if he complains to the UIL. This isn't a difficult one. The intent of the rules is that this play is illegal. |
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Play on. No problem. No foul. What about a limping receiver simply going in motion confuses the defense into believing there is problem and a snap isn’t imminent? Last edited by InsideTheStripe; Sun Aug 09, 2009 at 09:39pm. Reason: Adding qualifying statement at the beginning. |
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As long as the offense isn't using the player in a pretend substitution, then I'm going with "that's nothing".
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Some might say that the offense has the responsibility to know the play clock and watch the BJ rather than listen to the defense, but I could say they defense should watch the snap and not listen to the "where's the tee play" too, but i digress. |
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Blue picks White's pocket at the defensive 3-point line. White bench starts to go "5.... 4.... 3.... 2...." and Blue shots just across half and on a breakaway. I waited until the shot was released, and then: "Whack!" At my whistle, the clock read 0:05. The Blue player totally had time to take it in for an uncontested layup.
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