End of Game Punch

[MJT]

You have not yet ended the game until the R raises the ball above his head, so as Walt said, you have a DQ, which will probably affect him for at least one game.

[PSU213]

Originally Posted by MJT

You have not yet ended the game until the R raises the ball above his head, so as Walt said, you have a DQ, which will probably affect him for at least one game.

I agree. This is not a hold (illegal formation, etc.). The player needs to realize this is wrong, and he needs to be penalized for it. At the end of the game, throwing the flag is just that....only throwing the flag, there is no real penalty for it. By 'writing it up' he knows it's wrong, he is penalized for it, and you don't have to fall back on the coach for teaching the kind a lesson. And, not saying this coach is a dishonest guy, but, who knows, he (or a coach in a similar situations) may decide after a few days that he needs the player in the next game, rationalizes that what the kid did is not that bad, and he decides to put him out there.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by MJT

You have not yet ended the game until the R raises the ball above his head, so as Walt said, you have a DQ, which will probably affect him for at least one game.

This is something that I am glad to hear. In Canada, the game would be over and no penalty could be applied - including DQ.

In basketball, the game isn't over until the officials "leave the visual confines of the playing area". It's good to see that a similar event exists, for football, after the last tackle.

(Although, I do think that the R having to lift a ball above his head is stupid. What happens if the ball is 60 yards downfield on a hail mary pass? The ball has to be retrieved just to end the game? Silly.)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

This is something that I am glad to hear. In Canada, the game would be over and no penalty could be applied - including DQ.

In basketball, the game isn't over until the officials "leave the visual confines of the playing area". It's good to see that a similar event exists, for football, after the last tackle.

(Although, I do think that the R having to lift a ball above his head is stupid. What happens if the ball is 60 yards downfield on a hail mary pass? The ball has to be retrieved just to end the game? Silly.)

Nah, we'd be in the locker room before the ball was retrieved.

It's not the act that the ball is raised, it's the referee declaring the game ended (1-1-8). I can do that without a football in my hand. Most of the time, my umpire holds the ball up.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Nah, we'd be in the locker room before the ball was retrieved.

It's not the act that the ball is raised, it's the referee declaring the game ended (1-1-8). I can do that without a football in my hand. Most of the time, my umpire holds the ball up.

Some official is near the ball in this case though and he can raise the ball as well. It's probably more of a ritual and tradition than anything. I'm sure very few people even notice we do it.

[trocared]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

In basketball.....

Basketball.....in Canada??? Good one!


(please refrain from listing all the canadian ballers...just ribbing you! Yes, I admire Steve Nash and his skills.)

cheers,
tro

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by trocared

Basketball.....in Canada??? Good one!


(please refrain from listing all the canadian ballers...just ribbing you! Yes, I admire Steve Nash and his skills.)

cheers,
tro

Ya. We had one NBE team but they folded. The Vancouver Grizzlies I think they were.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Ya. We had one NBE team but they folded. The Vancouver Grizzlies I think they were.

Do the Toronto Raptors not count?

[HossHumard]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Do the Toronto Raptors not count?

Funny...but sadly true. I guess I don't have to mention that BB was invented by a Canuck, do I?

That's right...Basketball and wind chill. Gotta love it!

[Murd]

Originally Posted by HossHumard

Funny...but sadly true. I guess I don't have to mention that BB was invented by a Canuck, do I?

That's right...Basketball and wind chill. Gotta love it!

I thought canada plays BB on ice using a puck instead of a round ball?

[ajmc]

Absolutely no question as to the validity of flagging the infraction, and if you considered the infraction to be serious enough to officially DQ the player, which may depending on administrative procedures restrict further playing opportunities. Yes you can, and DQ may well be an entirely appropriate application of the current rules.

However, whether you can and whether you should, are not always the same thing. In the situation described, it sounded like the coach took immediate and appropriate action in using this incident as a teaching experience. Modified football (pre-freshman) is clearly intended in NYS as a learning level, and although the action described is a clear violation of the rules, deferring the implementation and execution of penalty to, what sounded like, a coach who understands and appreciates his mentoring role, seems like a prudent, constructive decision on your part.

Establishing a cooperative relationship between coaches and officials towards consistency in teaching necessary respect for the game, as well as opponents, especially at lower levels serves officials, coaches as well as players, well. You handled it right.