Case Book Question

[Mike L]

What I think the NFHS has intended (and yes, this is guessing) is the IW has created a dead ball spot much like if the kick had just rolled dead with no-one attempting to touch it.
Like Bob said, if this is what they want, it would be nice if it was clearly spelled out in the rules.

[mbyron]

What's the "god rule" in football -- you know, the one that gives officials the power to rule on anything not specifically covered in the rules?

[Bob M.]

REPLY: The problem, mbyron, is that it is covered in both the rule book and in the case book. But the rule book ruling would conflict with the case book ruling. And the Fed has no precedence statement to tell you what book rules when there's a conflict.

[OverAndBack]

I'd say (just IMHO) that the rules book would have precedence. The case book seems to me to just be a supplemental guide to help you understand the rules book's practical applications.

Cliff's Notes for the New Testament, rather than The Gospel itself, to make an analogy.

[GPC2]

The President of my local association has stated that this foul would be either penalized from the spot of the foul, or replay the down (K's option obviously).

[Theisey]

Originally Posted by GPC2

The President of my local association has stated that this foul would be either penalized from the spot of the foul, or replay the down (K's option obviously).

How did he come up with the spot of the foul?

If you beleive this is PSK, then the end of the kick spot is on the R-16 and that's behind the spot of the foul.

I think the case book result needs a little NFHS comment. It appears to me that the IW just negated any possible PSK enforcement.

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by OverAndBack

Cliff's Notes for the New Testament, rather than The Gospel itself, to make an analogy.

REPLY: Except that the NF Rule Book and Case Book have the same author...unlike the Cliff Notes and the New Testament

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: Except that the NF Rule Book and Case Book have the same author...unlike the Cliff Notes and the New Testament

You don't remember St. Cliff?

[ODJ]

The point of PSK enforcement is R has possession, which R doesn't when whistle is blown. Ball is still in motion: kick hasn't ended. I got PS unless NF has more clarification somewhere.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by ODJ

The point of PSK enforcement is R has possession, which R doesn't when whistle is blown. Ball is still in motion: kick hasn't ended. I got PS unless NF has more clarification somewhere.

The point of the PSK EXCEPTION is to GIVE R possession, despite their penalty during the loose ball. It is in the spirit of this exception (if not the letter) to give R the ball on an IW that causes the kick to end.

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by mbyron

The point of the PSK EXCEPTION is to GIVE R possession, despite their penalty during the loose ball. It is in the spirit of this exception (if not the letter) to give R the ball on an IW that causes the kick to end.

REPLY: You're correct: "The point of the PSK EXCEPTION is to GIVE R possession" but only if certain criteria are met. And one of those criteria is the "K will not be next to put the ball in play." Since there was an IW during a legal kick, who will next put the ball in play?

That's why this case play is in conflict with the rule book.

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by Mike L

...Like Bob said, if this is what they want, it would be nice if it was clearly spelled out in the rules.

REPLY: ...and clearly spelled out exactly how they expect us to officiate it. If the kick is in-flight when the IW is blown, exactly how do we determine the PSK spot ???

I agree with the esteemed Mr. Heisey

[MRH]

Our state rep contacted the NFHS. The ruling in this situation is wrong. Per NFHS - this entire casebook play should be crossed out.

[GPC2]

Originally Posted by MRH

Our state rep contacted the NFHS. The ruling in this situation is wrong. Per NFHS - this entire casebook play should be crossed out.

So I guess that means they still are deciding how this particular play should be handled. While that's all well and good in theory, how should we enforce this penalty in practice?

I personally will be following the lead of my president and giving K the option of enforcing the penalty at the spot of the foul (R's ball) or replaying the down.

BUT, hopefully we will never run into this situation.

[Bob M.]

Originally Posted by GPC2

...and giving K the option of enforcing the penalty at the spot of the foul (R's ball)...

REPLY: Regardless of where the kick ended??? So if R pushed K in the back at R's 40 and the kick was rolling at R's 15 when the IW sounded, your association president is saying to enforce from R's 40 ?? That isn't even PSK.