End of game - Dirty Play

[Blue37]

Originally Posted by jontheref

I only do HS -- but besides the ejection, I am ending the game if it would have taken a second kneel down. You dont get a second bite at the apple. If that means I have to stand over the ball for a half minute reconfirming what down it is, then so be it.

Getting a new ball can sometimes take a while.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by waltjp

You could have flagged the LB's threat before the snap as USC.

The hit could have/should have been flagged as a personal foul. Leading with the head is illegal helmet contact. Sounds like a DQ was definitely in order.

Throw the flags and let the league or state deal with it.

I'm not a football ref, but here's what I'd like to see done. Flag the lineman's threat as USC. Rule it an unfair clock tactic in trying to prevent a play from happening. Then wind the clock on the ready.
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[Robert Goodman]

Announce the game as over, technically a forfeit 2 secs. short of full time. If the circuit has some beyond-the-game sanction (such as player suspensions) that depends on any report you're required to give, get the offender's number and you can tell them afterward it was a DQ. Get out of there ASAP and leave any subsequent "action" to the police.

Robert

[Deep]

Originally Posted by NM_Ref

How would you all handle this?

I've seen a lot of flags mentioned so far in this thread. But I would expect my umpire to try to prevent the cheap shot in the first place.

You're right there with the kids, and you've heard his plans. A word from the umpire probably prevents the cheap shot and the potential for injury or a fight.

[Forksref]

Friday we had a coach yell out that they were going to take a knee. We notified the defense. The QB didn't take the knee right away but backpedaled about 4 yds and then was moderately hit.

I don't like the fact that he didn't take the knee right away. I have to rethink this.

Any ideas?

[GoodScout]

I don't like saying anything in these situations, but if I do say something, it's: "IF the quarterback takes a knee, you cannot hit him." So far, it's worked out OK.

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by GoodScout

I don't like saying anything in these situations, but if I do say something, it's: "IF the quarterback takes a knee, you cannot hit him." So far, it's worked out OK.

I like this approach. I use similar wording but the same exact message.

"If the ball carrier is down the play is over. Do not touch him." Then wait for a response.

[PSU213]

Originally Posted by GoodScout

I don't like saying anything in these situations, but if I do say something, it's: "IF the quarterback takes a knee, you cannot hit him." So far, it's worked out OK.

During a DI game the mics picked up an official yelling 'be smart, be smart' before what appeared to be an 'obvious' kneel down situation. It got the point across, and it showed the players that officials were watching and were keen to the situation.

Personally, I feel that announcing 'it's going to be a kneel down' presents many potential problems: 1. if the team does not kneel down, there is no rule broken here, A should not be penalized, yet they have gotten a 'free' play since the other team let their guard down at the official's request/command; 2. if A were to announce a kneel down, B lets off, and then A muffs the snap, B will likely not be ready at all to pick up the ball on the ground.

[jjrye22]

To point out again, the way we handle declared kneel downs is NOT by-the-book, but how we have been instructed to handle it, and all teams abide by it (as far as I have ever heard).

Rockyroad - Asked about an O-liner firing out after declaring a kneeldown - yes definate PF, probable ejection, same criteria as with the D

Walt - for the Unsportsman like. I guess we would file it under 9.2.3.c
If an obviously unfair act not specifically covered by the rules occurs
during the game
It is obviously unfair since they have declared they are giving up the 'right' to advance the ball and just want the clock to run down... Like I said, it is just how it is done here. I was also surprised like Rich when I saw it.

[GoodScout]

Originally Posted by PSU213

If the play is designed to fool someone, make sure you aren't the fool.

I like that.

[jontheref]

One last thought as it relates to the coach that yells out and says we are taking a knee and then the QB takes 4 steps to kneel down. QB gets ball....blow the whistle kill the play. There is nothing good that is going to happen if we await the QB to come to his senses and get to his knee. Too many QBs watch too much tv---see the way the qb tries to kill an extra second and all heck breaks lose.