The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Football

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #16 (permalink)  
Old Wed Sep 10, 2008, 10:44am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Kansas City, MO
Posts: 618
Send a message via MSN to grantsrc
And the assisting the jumper, or leverage as it was announced, is a PF in NFL. Might want to get your rules straight.
__________________
Check out my football officials resource page at
http://resources.refstripes.com
If you have a file you would like me to add, email me and I will get it posted.
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old Wed Sep 10, 2008, 12:37pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Bloomington, IL
Posts: 1,319
Quote:
Originally Posted by BktBallRef
There was an ineligible downfield on a WR screen pass that I didn't understand as the ball didn't cross the NZ.
Under NFL rules, the pass does not need to cross the line of scrimmage in order to have IDF.
__________________
Mike Sears
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old Wed Sep 10, 2008, 01:07pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Glendale, AZ
Posts: 1,023
FYI, most penalties, both teams in an NFL game:

37 Cleveland (21) vs. Chi. Bears (16), Nov. 25, 1951
35 Tampa Bay (20) vs. Seattle (15), Oct. 17, 1976*
34 San Francisco (22) vs. Buffalo (12), Oct. 4, 1998

*EDIT: The official play-by-play of this one is a bit confusing but doesn't list 20 penalties for Tampa Bay (it does list 15 for Seattle).

TB was hit for:

8 offensive holding calls
3 offsides/encroachments
2 personal fouls
1 illegal motion
1 face mask
1 roughing the passer
1 illegal procedure
1 unsportsmanlike conduct

Seattle was hit for:
5 offensive holdings
2 defensive holdings
2 personal fouls
2 delay of game
1 offside
1 false start
1 illegal use of hands

There was also offsetting holding calls on one play, and a notation that an ineligible receiver downfield call on Tampa Bay was "over-ruled by" a clipping foul on Seattle. Did they used to do it that way, where if one foul carried more yardage as a penalty, it would trump one on the other team? Strange.

That's sloppy, expansion-team football from 1976.
__________________
"And I'm not just some fan, I've refereed football and basketball in addition to all the baseball I've umpired. I've never made a call that horrible in my life in any sport."---Greatest. Official. Ever.

Last edited by OverAndBack; Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 01:28pm.
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 11, 2008, 11:41am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by MJT
I saw the game. A few illegal formations and several defensive offsides were called early. I think it was a sloppy game and the players did not adjust to how closely they may have been calling these two (somewhat judgemental) fouls. After one DOF or IF is called, the players had better WAKE UP and get out of the NZ and make sure the offensive tackles are on the LOS.
For whatever reason the Viking organization commit’s a penalty on nearly every play. Neutral zone infractions by 3 out of 4 defensive lineman are common place especially in or near the red zone. Recently they feel the popularity of Adrian Peterson gives them the right to steer defenders by grabbing the shoulders. I have no idea what justification they have for hooking (wizard - ing) defensive ends on passing plays. I don’t know why they have been allowed to do this routinely. They have no incentive to stop because they get caught less than 1 out of 10 times. The Packers naturally have to somehow compete with these unfair advantages often by committing a few infractions in the spirit of fair play. The officials UNDER-officiated the Vikings which led the game to deteriorate into near chaos.
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 11, 2008, 11:52am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,193
Quote:
the pass does not need to cross the line of scrimmage in order to have IDF
So all those screen passes I've seen in the NFL over the years were illegal but uncalled?
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 11, 2008, 12:05pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 91
I was under the impression plays with passes behind the LOS are technically runs. Hence screens, jailbreaks, shuffle passes, etc.
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 11, 2008, 12:50pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,643
Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkishowl20
I was under the impression plays with passes behind the LOS are technically runs. Hence screens, jailbreaks, shuffle passes, etc.
A forward pass is a forward pass. The rules are slightly different if the pass does not go beyond the neutral zone.
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 11, 2008, 12:55pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,643
Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkishowl20
For whatever reason the Viking organization commit’s a penalty on nearly every play. Neutral zone infractions by 3 out of 4 defensive lineman are common place especially in or near the red zone. Recently they feel the popularity of Adrian Peterson gives them the right to steer defenders by grabbing the shoulders. I have no idea what justification they have for hooking (wizard - ing) defensive ends on passing plays. I don’t know why they have been allowed to do this routinely. They have no incentive to stop because they get caught less than 1 out of 10 times. The Packers naturally have to somehow compete with these unfair advantages often by committing a few infractions in the spirit of fair play. The officials UNDER-officiated the Vikings which led the game to deteriorate into near chaos.
Do you understand that the NFL grades each official on each down of the game? There are some officials who do not mess up a foul call/no call situation over the entire season. These officials are not missing 9 out of 10 fouls.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkishowl20
The Packers naturally have to somehow compete with these unfair advantages often by committing a few infractions in the spirit of fair play.
HAHAHA
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 11, 2008, 03:05pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 7,620
Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkishowl20
I was under the impression plays with passes behind the LOS are technically runs. Hence screens, jailbreaks, shuffle passes, etc.
You might be thinking of 'shovel passes', where the QB "shovels" it rather than throwing it overhand to the receiver.
__________________
Cheers,
mb
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 11, 2008, 03:42pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 522
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbyron
You might be thinking of 'shovel passes', where the QB "shovels" it rather than throwing it overhand to the receiver.
There was a local annoucer in PA who called it the 'shuttle pass.'
__________________
If the play is designed to fool someone, make sure you aren't the fool.
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 11, 2008, 08:26pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Posts: 1,130
I just love these discussions especially by officials who should know better.

The number of penalties called is not so much a reflection of the officiating crew but more of the team being penalized. Officials do not commit penalties, players andtheir teams do.

I did not watch the entire Monday Night game but there were a number of procedural penalties. Officials call these because they occur. These are an indication to the coaching staff, you got some work to do.

A true indication of an official's work is the number of no-calls and calls.
__________________
Ed Hickland, MBA, CCP
[email protected]
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 11, 2008, 09:06pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: The 503
Posts: 785
Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkishowl20
For whatever reason the Viking organization commit’s a penalty on nearly every play. Neutral zone infractions by 3 out of 4 defensive lineman are common place especially in or near the red zone. Recently they feel the popularity of Adrian Peterson gives them the right to steer defenders by grabbing the shoulders. I have no idea what justification they have for hooking (wizard - ing) defensive ends on passing plays. I don’t know why they have been allowed to do this routinely. They have no incentive to stop because they get caught less than 1 out of 10 times. The Packers naturally have to somehow compete with these unfair advantages often by committing a few infractions in the spirit of fair play. The officials UNDER-officiated the Vikings which led the game to deteriorate into near chaos.
This is way off the mark.

It was under-officiated because the NFL no longer needs to give the Packers special treatment since Brett Favre left.

And what's "wizarding"? Do they send the DE to a different dimension?
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 11, 2008, 09:29pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by SethPDX
This is way off the mark.

It was under-officiated because the NFL no longer needs to give the Packers special treatment since Brett Favre left.

And what's "wizarding"? Do they send the DE to a different dimension?
A wizard is a wrestling move that involves clamping on an arm. If I put a wizard on you your arm would be in my armpit with my elbow joint holding/traping it there.
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 11, 2008, 09:31pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by PSU213
There was a local annoucer in PA who called it the 'shuttle pass.'
All three have been used. ‘Shuttle’ was used widely not just by the announcer.
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old Thu Sep 11, 2008, 09:35pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by LDUB
Do you understand that the NFL grades each official on each down of the game? There are some officials who do not mess up a foul call/no call situation over the entire season. These officials are not missing 9 out of 10 fouls.
HAHAHA
They really can't grade offensive holding calls. I know it’s difficult if not impossible to do. The term “it happens on every play” is a term for a reason. The point is they push it and influence the play.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Players you have officiated. JRutledge Basketball 57 Sun Jan 13, 2008 01:39pm
Mich/Minn ? kd0254 Basketball 2 Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:27pm
LL Minn vs Iows LDUB Baseball 123 Mon Aug 29, 2005 04:11pm
Minn/Mich -- Block-Charge Tim C Basketball 16 Mon Feb 03, 2003 09:54am
Officiated my first game rgaudreau Basketball 8 Fri Oct 19, 2001 04:53am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:18am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1