PAC10 Supervisor Discusses BYU-WA Call

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

The call has nothing to do with showing anyone up, excessive celebration, or anything to doing with taunting.

The call is a delay of game unsportsmanlike conduct foul.

So that's the genesis? Because it delays the game? By how much? Four seconds? The same celebration with no ball anywhere but dropped two feet onto the ground wouldn't have delayed the game any more than what actually happened.

Marv Levy's "overofficious jerk" would apply here, methinks. Not to the official making the call, but to the whole concept. I mean, come on.

[insatty]

The calling official, Mike McCabe, is an excellent official. But hearing Dave Cutaia speak numerous times at Camp, my interpretation of his statment is that the call is defensible by rule but shouldn't have been made. I would bet he graded it internally as a "marginal call."

Look for this call to be discussed in Dave Parry's training tape next year.

[TXMike]

Originally Posted by insatty

The calling official, Mike McCabe, is an excellent official. But hearing Dave Cutaia speak numerous times at Camp, my interpretation of his statment is that the call is defensible by rule but shouldn't have been made. I would bet he graded it internally as a "marginal call."

Look for this call to be discussed in Dave Parry's training tape next year.

I have seen 3 different articles, each claiming a different official flagged. One said it was McCabe, one said it was the B and one said it was the L (that article said the L was chased off the field by a Washington coach after the game)

Do you know who actually flagged?

I have heard there is a long-standing resistance by the PAC10 to any sort of combined officiating organization, so perhaps they (Cutaia) are saying they really do not care what Parry says.

[mbyron]

I don't know 7-man mechanics. The official on the near side, back of the endzone, threw the flag.

[JugglingReferee]

The F threw the flag. Seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igjgUKP3Uhc

[trocared]

Originally Posted by TXMike

Do you know who actually flagged?

if you get a good look at the entire play, one could surmise that the official on the grassy knoll was actually the one who threw the hankie.
cheers,
tro

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by insatty

But hearing Dave Cutaia speak numerous times at Camp, my interpretation of his statment is that the call is defensible by rule but shouldn't have been made. I would bet he graded it internally as a "marginal call."

I've heard Dave speak numerous times as well and that is not my impression.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OverAndBack

So that's the genesis? Because it delays the game? By how much? Four seconds? The same celebration with no ball anywhere but dropped two feet onto the ground wouldn't have delayed the game any more than what actually happened.

Marv Levy's "overofficious jerk" would apply here, methinks. Not to the official making the call, but to the whole concept. I mean, come on.

Not when the rule is so specific and outlaws a very specific act. The officials did not make up a situation and then decide it fit a vague rule. This rule is so specific that if they did not call this unsportsmanlike, someone would have accused the Pac-10 officials of favoring their conference team. Remember the Oklahoma-Oregon game a few years back?

Peace

[JRutledge]

Committee Person speaks out

It seems the NCAA Football Committee is also backing this call.

"I try to tell my team, when you score, just hand the ball to the nearest official. That's all you're supposed to do. We want the officials to enforce the rules. Well, the rule's right there in the rulebook."

From the article:

When asked if the official should have used his judgment and let the play go, Edsall said the celebration rule has "been harped on as a point of emphasis" for the past several months. The official, Edsall said, had no choice but to call it or risk being suspended.

"I don't think it's taken any fun out of the game," Edsall said. "It just bothers me sometimes to hear people come on TV and say, 'How can you call that?' Well, the guy was doing his job."

I guess the NCAA does not agree with many here.

Peace

[bossman72]

Oddly enough, if the official wouldn't have thrown the flag, there would most likely have been ZERO backlash for not calling it (moreover- nobody would have noticed or said "hey, he should have thrown a flag on that!").

Eh, go figure

[TXMike]

Originally Posted by bossman72

Oddly enough, if the official wouldn't have thrown the flag, there would most likely have been ZERO backlash for not calling it (moreover- nobody would have noticed or said "hey, he should have thrown a flag on that!").

Eh, go figure

Wrong. BYU would have complained as would have all BYU supporters and most all officials. The media might not have complained (except for BYU-connected media) but there would have been plenty of griping.

[JasonTX]

I recall a few bowl game last year in which there were players doing somersaults "spontaneuously" as they scored, and others who interacted with the fans and none of those were flagged. Those officials got ripped by the media for not flagging them. The media is going to rip the officials no matter how it gets called. Their sole purpose is to create controversy because it draws in an audience.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by TXMike

Wrong. BYU would have complained as would have all BYU supporters and most all officials. The media might not have complained (except for BYU-connected media) but there would have been plenty of griping.

[Disclaimer: I belong on the round yellow ball board, but I'm a BYU fan and I like browsing your threads anyway so let me add a touch to this comment.]

Given the way the rest of the drive was "officiated," the hostility would have lasted a long time. The BYU radio guys were already up in arms about the typical experience of traveling to a PAC-10 stadium. The quote from the play-by-play guys just as the flag was thrown was: "If they hadn't thrown that flag, you never would have heard the end of it from me."
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Roll blunts

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by TXMike

Wrong. BYU would have complained as would have all BYU supporters and most all officials. The media might not have complained (except for BYU-connected media) but there would have been plenty of griping.

Bingo. The cries of BYU being "homered" by a Pac-10 crew in a Pac-10 stadium would've been deafening.