Awarded score: period extended?

[Dale Smith]

All
The foul as described is a non-player foul. If the Referee awards a TD the period is extended for the try only. This is treated just like any other TD. Team A has the choice of having the penalty enforced on the try or the following kick-off. Because the foul is a non-player foul the kick-off will be the first play of the next period.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Dale Smith

All

"All" meaning all codes that you know of, to all, or what?

The foul as described is a non-player foul. If the Referee awards a TD the period is extended for the try only. This is treated just like any other TD. Team A has the choice of having the penalty enforced on the try or the following kick-off. Because the foul is a non-player foul the kick-off will be the first play of the next period.

"The penalty"? The penalty results in or is the TD. Do you allow a choice of a further penalty? Or is the awarded score not considered a penalty?

Robert

[ajmc]

When NFHS 10.9.1-4 is invoked to determine a penalty, the language seems clear, "Unfair Act-the referee enforces ANY penalty he considers equitable, INCLUDING the awarding of a score."

It would seem whatever penalty is enforced would INCLUDE whatever the referee decided it should, or should not include.

However, the other side of this coin is that choosing to apply NF 10.9.1-4 is almost certain to generate a great deal of scrutiny and review of what the referee decided was equitable, and why, which bears serious consideration and may be reason why such enforcement is so rare.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by ajmc

When NFHS 10.9.1-4 is invoked to determine a penalty, the language seems clear, "Unfair Act-the referee enforces ANY penalty he considers equitable, INCLUDING the awarding of a score."

It would seem whatever penalty is enforced would INCLUDE whatever the referee decided it should, or should not include.

But you seem to imply the extension of a period to be in itself a penalty, or a part of a penalty. I never thought of extension of a period as part of a penalty, especially when in some cases of the type described it's not clear which side is benefited by it, and, in the case of the ending of an even-numbered period, it would seem that in USAn rules it could only benefit the offending team.

Robert

[Dale Smith]

Robert
All was intended as a greeting such as Gentlemen or Ladies.

"The penalty"? "The penalty results in or is the TD. Do you allow a choice of a further penalty? Or is the awarded score not considered a penalty?"

You got me there. After looking more closely at NFHS rule 9-9-4 the penalty looks to be the awarding of the TD. It also looks like no yardage is to be assessed on the try or the ensuing kickoff. The extension of the period for the try is covered by rule 3-3-3 “A period must be extended by an untimed down if during the last timed down of the period, one of the following occurred: d If a touchdown was scored, the try is attempted unless the touchdown is scored during the last timed down of the fourth period and the point(s) would not affect the outcome of the game or playoff qualifying.”

In the play at the beginning of this thread, the penalty is a TD being scored (awarded). When a TD is scored the scoring team is allowed a try for point. The try is a special part of the game. It is not apart of the penalty for this play, but it is a result of the awarded TD.

The ensuing kickoff is apart of the next period because the foul was non-player foul and you do not extend a period for that type of foul.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Dale Smith

The ensuing kickoff is apart of the next period because the foul was non-player foul and you do not extend a period for that type of foul.

So let's make it a player foul. While the ball is live, B1 takes off his helmet and throws it to intercept the ball, causing it to miss scoring a field goal as time expires for the period. The referee offers A a choice of ordinary USC enforcement or award of a field goal for an unfair act, and they choose the field goal. Do you extend the period for the kickoff?

Robert

[Dale Smith]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

So let's make it a player foul. While the ball is live, B1 takes off his helmet and throws it to intercept the ball, causing it to miss scoring a field goal as time expires for the period. The referee offers A a choice of ordinary USC enforcement or award of a field goal for an unfair act, and they choose the field goal. Do you extend the period for the kickoff?

Robert

Robert
Per NHFS 3-3-3a the period is not extended for a USC foul.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Dale Smith

Robert
Per NHFS 3-3-3a the period is not extended for a USC foul.

But this is not USC, this is an unfair act depriving a team of a score.

[Dale Smith]

Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

But this is not USC, this is an unfair act depriving a team of a score.

Robert
The foul is a USC foul. The player removed a required piece of equipment during a play.
You asked “Do you extend the period for the kickoff.” The answer is no. In your play the foul is a USC foul. The penalty was the awarded FG. Per rule 3-3-3a, a period is never extended for a USC foul.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by Dale Smith

Robert
The foul is a USC foul. The player removed a required piece of equipment during a play.
You asked “Do you extend the period for the kickoff.” The answer is no. In your play the foul is a USC foul. The penalty was the awarded FG. Per rule 3-3-3a, a period is never extended for a USC foul.

So you're counting the removal of the helmet and the throwing it at the ball all of a piece, rather than being a separate act of USC followed by an unclassified unfair act depriving an opponent of a score?

Very well then. I'm sure you could concoct a player foul other than USC for which a TD or FG would be awarded. Then would you extend the period for a kickoff in Fed?

Robert