Mike Carey

[waltjp]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

as to why the 12th player was on the field to begin with? How do you not know in the NFL if you are on the punt return team or not?

Probably the same way as in pee-wees - your coach tells you.

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

as to why the 12th player was on the field to begin with? How do you not know in the NFL if you are on the punt return team or not?

The guy in question went to Akron, not MIT.

[MJT]

Originally Posted by Blue37

Does the NFL have an equivalent to the NFHS rule?

Rule 3 Periods, Time Factors and Substitutions
SECTION 1 LENGTH OF PERIODS
ART. 3 A period or periods may be shortened in any emergency by agreement of the opposing coaches and the referee. By mutual agreement of the opposing coaches and the referee, any remaining period may be shortened at any time or the game terminated.

In a Fed game, if I see the coaches heading for mid-field to shake hands, I accept that as their agreement to terminate the game. My agreement is demonstrated by leaving the field.

I do not see that as an NFL rule in the official NFL rule book that I have.

[Sonofanump]

Originally Posted by Bob M.

REPLY: At one time, if I'm not mistaken, it was not reviewable. Then there was a high-profile mistake (allegedly) where Bill Cowher was running off the field at halftime livid, showing the referee one of those Polaroid shots they take that had their opponent (again, allegedly) with twelve guys on the field. After that, I believe, they made it a reviewable situation.

Is this the same coach who tought that his player was allowed to change his call of the coin toss in the air?

[daggo66]

Just to play devil's advocate here, do you want your wing official watching someone's feet to see if he just barely makes it off the field or not at the snap, OR would you rather he be watching the LOS for the false start that he may miss while deciding whether or not someone made it out of bounds? At the high school level I would be much more concerned about the penalty that could effect the play rather than one that has no bearing whatsoever.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by daggo66

Just to play devil's advocate here, do you want your wing official watching someone's feet to see if he just barely makes it off the field or not at the snap, OR would you rather he be watching the LOS for the false start that he may miss while deciding whether or not someone made it out of bounds? At the high school level I would be much more concerned about the penalty that could effect the play rather than one that has no bearing whatsoever.

Being the contrarian above, I'll answer.

No, I don't want the wings turning heads and missing play at the line of scrimmage. What I said was I don't want them ignoring it cause the player is only a step or two from the sidelines. If they miss it because they're officiating and the player runs out of their line of sight, fine. We don't have 7 officials in my state.

I also don't mind if someone else gets this if it's obvious (back judge, for example).

[daggo66]

I absolutely agree. I can tell you, however, that my crew will not make that call if he is a step off the sideline.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Being the contrarian above, I'll answer.

No, I don't want the wings turning heads and missing play at the line of scrimmage. What I said was I don't want them ignoring it cause the player is only a step or two from the sidelines. If they miss it because they're officiating and the player runs out of their line of sight, fine. We don't have 7 officials in my state.

I also don't mind if someone else gets this if it's obvious (back judge, for example).

I completely agree. If a player doesn't get off the field this is not my problem to save a penalty for your team. That is the problem of the team and the players. I think officials spend too much time trying to be safe than making a call that can clearly be seen on tape. And in this case, it was very clear on tape that the Giants player was two or three steps on the field when the ball was snapped. But I also agree that I am not turning my head just to make the call and I am not stepping onto the field to not make the call either.

Peace

[MadCityRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I completely agree. If a player doesn't get off the field this is not my problem to save a penalty for your team. That is the problem of the team and the players. I think officials spend too much time trying to be safe than making a call that can clearly be seen on tape. And in this case, it was very clear on tape that the Giants player was two or three steps on the field when the ball was snapped. But I also agree that I am not turning my head just to make the call and I am not stepping onto the field to not make the call either.

Peace

That's why the wing steps forward onto the field to let the kid get off in time. "He was behind me, coach. I only have eyes in the front of my head."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MadCityRef

That's why the wing steps forward onto the field to let the kid get off in time. "He was behind me, coach. I only have eyes in the front of my head."

First of all it is a cop out. Secondly, I want to start on the sideline, not several steps on the sideline. I have also seen officials do this and miss the hiding substitute play as well.

If that is acceptable where you live that is fine, but I would not be the one advocating that practice. Because there are other things you could miss and if you miss a deception play because you had to step foreword, I would rather take the chance of taking the heat for an IP called than missing something bigger because I was not in position.

Peace

[OverAndBack]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And in this case, it was very clear on tape that the Giants player was two or three steps on the field when the ball was snapped.

One and a half. Maybe two.

[OverAndBack]

Or, slightly harder to see but the best I can do:

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

First of all it is a cop out. Secondly, I want to start on the sideline, not several steps on the sideline. I have also seen officials do this and miss the hiding substitute play as well.

If that is acceptable where you live that is fine, but I would not be the one advocating that practice. Because there are other things you could miss and if you miss a deception play because you had to step foreword, I would rather take the chance of taking the heat for an IP called than missing something bigger because I was not in position.

Peace

Another example of the joke of instant replay.

It was supposed to correct obvious errors.

From the previous posts it appears most officials consider a 12th leaving the field to not be worth much of their bother.

A player one step from being off the field obviously had no bearing on the play as most of you have already agreed.

Can the NFL use a little common sense here?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Another example of the joke of instant replay.

It was supposed to correct obvious errors.

From the previous posts it appears most officials consider a 12th leaving the field to not be worth much of their bother.

A player one step from being off the field obviously had no bearing on the play as most of you have already agreed.

Can the NFL use a little common sense here?

There you go sensationalizing things again. The NFL rule is as it is partly to remove judgment from the officials. This way, the game is more consistent. Surely players and coaches making millions are accountable for fielding the correct number of players.

The play was properly reviewed and Mike Carey properly threw the flag after review.

If you don't like the rule, then that's fine. (Such fact only shows you don't understand professional football.) But to dis IR? POW.....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Another example of the joke of instant replay.

It was supposed to correct obvious errors.

From the previous posts it appears most officials consider a 12th leaving the field to not be worth much of their bother.

A player one step from being off the field obviously had no bearing on the play as most of you have already agreed.

Can the NFL use a little common sense here?

This has nothing to do with common sense. The Giants had 12 players on the field no doubt about it. It is against the rules to have 12 players on the field. If they did not make that call, then everyone would have been crying conspiracy or accused the officials of ignoring the rules or purposely going against the Patriots. And even in NF rules and NCAA rules, this would be a penalty as well. In the NF you could make a case for Illegal Substitution not Illegal Participation.

Peace