What Rule Governs this play in NCAA?

[jimpiano]

With time winding down in the 4th quarter the offense makes a first down with one second on the clock, trailing by 2 points and in field goal range. The offense has no time outs left and hurries the field goal team onto the field as the chains move.

Before the Referee can signal the ball is in play the center snaps the ball and the kicker boots the ball and the field goa is no-good.


Is there a penalty on the play, or is the game over?

What if the kick was good, does it change anything?


One other question.

On the last second time out by Urban Meyer in the Auburn game.
If the official missed the timing and the snap occured before his whistle what would happen?

[MJT]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

With time winding down in the 4th quarter the offense makes a first down with one second on the clock, trailing by 2 points and in field goal range. The offense has no time outs left and hurries the field goal team onto the field as the chains move.

Before the Referee can signal the ball is in play the center snaps the ball and the kicker boots the ball and the field goa is no-good.


Is there a penalty on the play, or is the game over?

What if the kick was good, does it change anything?


One other question.

On the last second time out by Urban Meyer in the Auburn game.
If the official missed the timing and the snap occured before his whistle what would happen?

For your first question, DOG foul rule 4-1-4 in NCAA and DOG foul rule 3-6-2-e in NF.

2nd question. The official wouldn't have missed the timing of the snap, but Urban Meyer would have missed when he thought the snap was going to be and not said "TO" early enough, and the play goes on. If the wing had not yet blown his whistle and the snap occurred, there should be no whistle and the coach should have asked a second earlier.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by MJT

For your first question, DOG foul rule 4-1-4 in NCAA and DOG foul rule 3-6-2-e in NF.

2nd question. The official wouldn't have missed the timing of the snap, but Urban Meyer would have missed when he thought the snap was going to be and not said "TO" early enough, and the play goes on. If the wing had not yet blown his whistle and the snap occurred, there should be no whistle and the coach should have asked a second earlier.

Not having a rule book in either , could you explain what they mean?

[Texas Aggie]

The rule reference in the first question is snapping the ball prior to the ready for play. Since it is a dead ball foul, anything short of Jesus' return means absolutely nothing. Everything is a do-over. He'll announce the foul, mark it off, then wind it up. They better be set offensively or they won't get the play off in time.

I had this happen in a game, except, instead of throwing a flag and enforcing a penalty, the Referee stupidly just wound the clock and let it run out. While that would have happened anyway, no one (including me -- HL on the other side of the field) knew it was a foul and everyone thought he was incorrectly winding the clock after an incomplete pass -- the snap prior to the RFP was a spike. He told me later, "well, I guess I COULD have thrown the flag."

I'm like, no, you SHOULD have thrown the flag. He and the umpire busted *** off the field without me and I had to run through the team that thought they got screwed to get to my car. Boy was I pissed (still am). To that, he said, "I didn't know you were parked over there." It was the only parking lot.

[glind13]

Not having the book infront of me, but my question is: Is there an expection that I am not thinking of as far as timing after a DOG penelty? You say to wind the clock, and I thought the clock started on the snap after a DOG penelty.

I know that the referee can wind it if he thinks that a team did something intentially, but in this case it sounds like they did nothing intentially to stop the clock and they would have gotten the kick off if they had waited so why penalize them the yards and the opportunity to attempt a kick which they would have gotten off anyway.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

The rule reference in the first question is snapping the ball prior to the ready for play. Since it is a dead ball foul, anything short of Jesus' return means absolutely nothing. Everything is a do-over. He'll announce the foul, mark it off, then wind it up. They better be set offensively or they won't get the play off in time.

I had this happen in a game, except, instead of throwing a flag and enforcing a penalty, the Referee stupidly just wound the clock and let it run out. While that would have happened anyway, no one (including me -- HL on the other side of the field) knew it was a foul and everyone thought he was incorrectly winding the clock after an incomplete pass -- the snap prior to the RFP was a spike. He told me later, "well, I guess I COULD have thrown the flag."

I'm like, no, you SHOULD have thrown the flag. He and the umpire busted *** off the field without me and I had to run through the team that thought they got screwed to get to my car. Boy was I pissed (still am). To that, he said, "I didn't know you were parked over there." It was the only parking lot.

I am still confused.

The reason I asked the question was because I was at the Boston College/Notre Dame game a few years ago when this very play happened.

Notre Dame had the ball in long field goal range after making a first down with no time outs left and one second on the clock. As the chains moved the field goal team rushed on and set up but just BEFORE the Referee was even ready to wind the clock the ball was snapped and the ensuing kick was a weak and futile attempt.

There was no penalty and the game was declared over.

I could not figure out how the game ended if the clock never started.
I could also see that this move by Notre Dame to incur a penalty to give it more time to prepare for the field goal, even with a yardage markoff, would be construed as taking advantage of the rules.

It obviously did not work, but I never saw any explanation of why the game ended with no penalty.

I am not compaining since I was rooting for Boston College. Just always curious as to rules.

By the way, I do baseball and softball, not football.