Uncle Ernie's April Quiz

[James Neil]

Well guys it’s time again for UE monthly quiz. I can’t believe it’s April already. My how time flies when you’re having fun.

1. A 4/16 A1. The score is A14-B13. A4's punt is caught by B29 on A's 26 after a valid fair catch signal. During the down, B63 blocked A44 in the back on A's 28 and A74 blocked B95 below the waist on A's 22. Time expired in the fourth quarter during the down.
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2. A 4/G B48. The score is A28-B28. QB A17's legal forward pass is caught by A82. A82 advances to B's 4 and fumbles. The fumble rolls through B's end zone. B79 roughs the passer. Two seconds remain in the fourth quarter.
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3. A 3/G B3. The score is A28-B28 with nine seconds remaining in the fourth quarter. A8's field goal attempt is blocked. A78 recovers on B's 9 and advances to B's 2 where he is downed. The kick does not cross the neutral zone. Three seconds remain on the clock.
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4. A 1/10 B12. The ball is on the left hash. QB A12 on B's 19 and throws the ball beyond the neutral zone to an area where no eligible receivers are located. During A12's scramble, A67 held on B's 15.
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5. A 2/4 B8. QB A18 hands off to A44 on B's 13. A44 runs to B's 6 near the sideline where B55 hits him causing the ball to come loose. B38 then deflects the bouncing ball and B12 controls the ball while touching the end line.
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6. A 3/12 B18. A16's legal forward pass is airborne when B34 grabs A88's jersey on B's 13, thus limiting A88's ability to jump for the pass.
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7. A TRY B3. The snap is high after which A4 places and holds the ball for a place kick for A6 who is in position to kick the ball. B96 bats the ball from A4's hand, recovers and advances across A's goal line.
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8. A 4/12 A18. A8's punt is caught on B's 47 by B21 who advances to A's 46 and fumbles. A94 recovers on A's 48 while grounded. Team A had six players on the line at the snap. B41 blocked A83 in the back on A's 44 during the punt.
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As a side note to my good friend Bob M from last months quiz. There was some debate as to where to spot the ball on the roughing the passer play. As you may recall I tacked on the yardage from the spot of the recovered fumble. My thinking is we give A the benefit of all the legal yards gained for this foul as that seems to be the intent of the exception to this rule. The collective options of the others in my association tend to agree with me.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by James Neil
6. A 3/12 B18. A16's legal forward pass is airborne when B34 grabs A88's jersey on B's 13, thus limiting A88's ability to jump for the pass.

This seems too easy. DPI Half the distance, auto firstdown. A 1/G B9. Am I missing somthing?

[James Neil]

Originally posted by Snake~eyes
This seems too easy. Am I missing somthing? [/B]

Yes you are. Besides the clock status, what about 1,2,3,4,5,7 and 8 ?

[Jim S]

Hey Jimmy, does Dan know you're stealing his tests?

[James Neil]

Originally posted by Jim S
Hey Jimmy, does Dan know you're stealing his tests?

No Jim he dosn't. And I hope you dont slip and mention it

[Bob M.]

Originally posted by James Neil


As a side note to my good friend Bob M from last months quiz. There was some debate as to where to spot the ball on the roughing the passer play. As you may recall I tacked on the yardage from the spot of the recovered fumble. My thinking is we give A the benefit of all the legal yards gained for this foul as that seems to be the intent of the exception to this rule. The collective options of the others in my association tend to agree with me.

REPLY: Jim, take a look at the 2003 Case Book, Play 9.4.3 Situation D on page 65. The Federation's collective opinion (for better or worse) disagrees. And there's is the one that counts...unfortunately sometimes.
I think that the NCAA's interpretation agrees with yours, i.e. that you enforce from the spot of the recovery. But for some strange reason, Fed doesn't.

[Jim S]

Jim, please reread the case you cited. It agrees that the enforcement is at the spot of the fumble, not the recovery. ie. 15yards back from the 19 is the 34, not the 30.

[Jim S]

Sorry, should have said Bob....

[Jim S]

I'll bet you were responding to J.N. not me huh?

[Bob M.]

Originally posted by Jim S
I'll bet you were responding to J.N. not me huh?

REPLY: Yeah umpump...it was intended for Jim Neil. Now I'm really confused. I thought that Jim was saying that enforcement should be tacked on from the spot of recovery. I understood, and I think the Fed Case Book play substantiates, that it should be tacked on from the spot of the fumble.

[Jim S]

Bob, that's the way I read Jimmy's message to you also.

[James Neil]

Originally posted by Jim S

Originally posted by Jim S
Jim, please reread the case you cited. It agrees that the enforcement is at the spot of the fumble, not the recovery. ie. 15yards back from the 19 is the 34, not the 30.

Originally posted by Jim S
Sorry, should have said Bob....

Originally posted by Bob M.

REPLY: Yeah umpump...it was intended for Jim Neil. Now I'm really confused. I thought that Jim was saying that enforcement should be tacked on from the spot of recovery. I understood, and I think the Fed Case Book play substantiates, that it should be tacked on from the spot of the fumble.

Originally posted by Jim S
Bob, that's the way I read Jimmy's message to you also.

LOL... now I’m WHY confused ...LOL...... who’s on first?

(I’ll be back with a serious response when I stop laughing)

[Jim S]

Jimmy, the bottom line is that both Bob and I agree. The correct enforcement spot....BY RULE... is the spot of the fumble.
Now if thefumble is recovered by a player on his feet you start a new run....which may or may not be the last run for this rule purpose

[JMN]

I'll take a stab at these. NCAA rules. Guys, please be gentle

1. A 4/16 A1. The score is A14-B13. A4's punt is caught by B29 on A's 26 after a valid fair catch signal. During the down, B63 blocked A44 in the back on A's 28 and A74 blocked B95 below the waist on A's 22. Time expired in the fourth quarter during the down.

>> Either 1) Offset and replay 4th down or 2) B 1/10 @ A38 (PSK spot is A28). Either way, the period is extended and the clock is on the snap.
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2. A 4/G B48. The score is A28-B28. QB A17's legal forward pass is caught by A82. A82 advances to B's 4 and fumbles. The fumble rolls through B's end zone. B79 roughs the passer. Two seconds remain in the fourth quarter.

>> A 1/G @ B2. Clock on snap as A was awarded a 1st down.
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3. A 3/G B3. The score is A28-B28 with nine seconds remaining in the fourth quarter. A8's field goal attempt is blocked. A78 recovers on B's 9 and advances to B's 2 where he is downed. The kick does not cross the neutral zone. Three seconds remain on the clock.

>> A 4/G @ B2, ready
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4. A 1/10 B12. The ball is on the left hash. QB A12 on B's 19 and throws the ball beyond the neutral zone to an area where no eligible receivers are located. During A12's scramble, A67 held on B's 15.

>> A 2/22 @ B24, snap. The holding would be declined and the intentional grounding enforced -5 from the spot & LOD.
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5. A 2/4 B8. QB A18 hands off to A44 on B's 13. A44 runs to B's 6 near the sideline where B55 hits him causing the ball to come loose. B38 then deflects the bouncing ball and B12 controls the ball while touching the end line.

>> B 1/10 @ B20, snap. Impetus not changed by B's deflection. A responsible for ball in end zone. B12 just helps ball become dead.
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6. A 3/12 B18. A16's legal forward pass is airborne when B34 grabs A88's jersey on B's 13, thus limiting A88's ability to jump for the pass.

>> A 1/10 @ B13, snap. DPI is a spot foul in this scenario as foul was <15 yds from LOS and ball was snapped outside the B17 so the rule governing snaps at B17 or inside do not apply.
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7. A TRY B3. The snap is high after which A4 places and holds the ball for a place kick for A6 who is in position to kick the ball. B96 bats the ball from A4's hand, recovers and advances across A's goal line.

>> 1 point for B scoring a safety on A's try.
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8. A 4/12 A18. A8's punt is caught on B's 47 by B21 who advances to A's 46 and fumbles. A94 recovers on A's 48 while grounded. Team A had six players on the line at the snap. B41 blocked A83 in the back on A's 44 during the punt.

>> A 4/12 @ A18. Offsetting penalties on the play. PSK not in affect because A ends up with possession of ball.
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>>>>>>> How badly did I kick these plays??

[mikesears]

Originally posted by James Neil
Well guys it’s time again for UE monthly quiz. I can’t believe it’s April already. My how time flies when you’re having fun.

Can't tell you how much these monthly quizzes are appreciated. It helps keep me focused on the rules. Please keep sharing them, James!

1. A 4/16 A1. The score is A14-B13. A4's punt is caught by B29 on A's 26 after a valid fair catch signal. During the down, B63 blocked A44 in the back on A's 28 and A74 blocked B95 below the waist on A's 22. Time expired in the fourth quarter during the down.
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NF: B has options. Decline A's penalty. B's penalty is then enforced as a PSK foul (from the A-28). 1/10 for B from the A-38. Accept A's penalty and fouls will be paired as double fouls and down will be replayed. No matter what option B selects, there WILL be an untimed down played.

NCAA: This is my first attempt at trying to answer from the NCAA perspective so please take it easy on me

First go to B. They can accept the penalty for A's foul and both fouls will offset and the down will be replayed with an untimed down. OR they can decline A's foul and then team A has options. Team A can then either accept or decline the penalty for B's foul. If they accept, B will be moved back 10 yards from the PSK spot (A-28) for a 1/10 from A-38 and an untimed down will be played. If they decline, game is over.

Before I go any further, is this correct?