Scrimmage kick play question

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by CoachLamb

While we are here.... can you guys shine some light on some common rule misconceptions that high school football coaches have. I'm curious how much "tie goes to the runner" type of stuff I'm guilty of as a coach.

That's a FAQ not only here but elsewhere. You could probably find it in fairly short order by searching.

[HLin NC]

can you guys shine some light on some common rule misconceptions that high school football coaches have.

There are many but my first insight is.............

STOP WATCHING THE NFL AND COLLEGE FOOTBALL

That alone would stop the vast majority of misconceptions HS coaches have.

1) There is no 5 yard "chuck zone".
2) There is no 4th down fumble rule.
3) A PAT/try is DEAD when it is apparent the kick/play has failed or B gains possession, no 97 yard run to glory.
4) There is no "dey broke duh huddle wif tway-yulv".
5) There is no "uncatchable pass".
6) Ineligible downfield is NOT a loss of down foul.

[CT1]

Originally Posted by HLin NC

There are many but my first insight is.............

STOP WATCHING THE NFL AND COLLEGE FOOTBALL

That alone would stop the vast majority of misconceptions HS coaches have.

1) There is no 5 yard "chuck zone".
2) There is no 4th down fumble rule.
3) A PAT/try is DEAD when it is apparent the kick/play has failed or B gains possession, no 97 yard run to glory.
4) There is no "dey broke duh huddle wif tway-yulv".
5) There is no "uncatchable pass".
6) Ineligible downfield is NOT a loss of down foul.

7) There is no "tackle box".
8) They are NOT holding on every play.

[BoomerSooner]

Originally Posted by CT1

8) They are NOT holding on every play.

Amen!!!

My favorite is when you hear a coach (usually some assistant) say, "They could call holding on every play if they want to call it". It always seems like once his team has its next possession there will be a flag for holding, which prompts the response, "How can you call that?"

I also agree with the point about applying NCAA and NFL rules to NFHS covered situations. I posted while watching NCAA earlier this week and had a mental collapse evidenced by trying to integrate the two.

[stratref]

I know is was kind of mentioned before, but under no circumstances can a QB throw the ball away. I've caught quite a lot of grief from JV coaches when their QB gets flushed from the pocket and puts the ball in the 5th row and it costs his team around 15 yards (because he was 10 yards behind the LOS) and a down and they say "but he was out of the pocket", my response to that now is "sure was" or "cool".

Jasper

[sorrydog]

Originally Posted by stratref

I know is was kind of mentioned before, but under no circumstances can a QB throw the ball away. I've caught quite a lot of grief from JV coaches when their QB gets flushed from the pocket and puts the ball in the 5th row and it costs his team around 15 yards (because he was 10 yards behind the LOS) and a down and they say "but he was out of the pocket", my response to that now is "sure was" or "cool".

Jasper

Had it 3 times yesterday in a JV game. QB actually threw it in the stands and yes he had a receiver on the SL but gee, give me a break. He threw it away to not get sacked. Coach came unglued.

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by sorrydog

Had it 3 times yesterday in a JV game. QB actually threw it in the stands and yes he had a receiver on the SL but gee, give me a break. He threw it away to not get sacked. Coach came unglued.

Had this last week on a FRI night. Kid scrambles toward his own sideline, dumps it over entire bench and onto track behind team box, players, the whole smear......not a receiver within 20 yards. QB and asst. coach start coming unglued about being outside the pocket. (That's just the first one.)

Less than a minute to go in 2nd qtr., 4th and goal at opponent's 7, pass interference (kid was mugged) on DEF in the EZ. We go half the distance and replay 4th down. Coach calls timeout because he thinks we have erred....wonders why the ball is not at the 1 YL and ALSO says it should be a first down. (That's #2....and #3 if you have the chalk in hand.)

It has always been my understanding that at least for the last decade of the 2 plus decades I've been doing this that HCs at the varsity level are required to take the same test we are. There is no way....no way, that this is happening...(In my best Buford T. Justice voice)

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by stratref

I know is was kind of mentioned before, but under no circumstances can a QB throw the ball away. I've caught quite a lot of grief from JV coaches when their QB gets flushed from the pocket and puts the ball in the 5th row and it costs his team around 15 yards (because he was 10 yards behind the LOS) and a down and they say "but he was out of the pocket", my response to that now is "sure was" or "cool".

Jasper

In my experience, it helps to tell the coach "That's a college rule" or something along those lines... sometimes it'll change them from thinking "this ref's an idiot" to "Oh, it's a rules difference and this ref knows what he's talking about".

Doesn't always work, of course, but every once in a while...

[Altor]

My favorite question/response in this category came from this board.

Coach: How many of their players are allowed downfield at the time of the punt?
L: Ten.

I'm sure that confused the heck out of him.