Rookie

[jTheUmp]

That's not a FED rule (or an NCAA rule, for that matter).

If it's an NFL rule, I'd assume it's the responsibility of the Umpire or Side Judge.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

That's not a FED rule (or an NCAA rule, for that matter).

If it's an NFL rule, I'd assume it's the responsibility of the Umpire or Side Judge.

Could it be a youth rule?

[BigT]

When all 11 get into position you count one thousand one and then someone can go in motion. Seems easy enough.

[BigT]

If I am the QB and we are on the 20 and I run back to 27 yard line and intentional ground the ball do I start the next down on the 25 or 32?

[CT1]

Originally Posted by BigT

If I am the QB and we are on the 20 and I run back to 27 yard line and intentional ground the ball do I start the next down on the 25 or 32?

(FED) The 32, with loss of down.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by CT1

(FED) The 32, with loss of down.

Douh because if he had taken the sack that is where the ball would have been down. So it makes sense to start the penalty from that spot. Thanks!

[CT1]

Originally Posted by BigT

Douh because if he had taken the sack that is where the ball would have been down. So it makes sense to start the penalty from that spot. Thanks!

That's a reasonable rationale, but it's not the reason why the 27 is the enforcement spot.

This is a loose ball play (LBP). The Basic (enforcement) Spot for a LBP is the previous spot. All fouls are enforced from the Basic Spot, except for a foul by the offense BEHIND the Basic Spot, which is enforced from the spot of the foul. That's what we have here.

FYI - This method of determining the enforcement spot is commonly called "All But One (or "3-&-1" if you talk to an old-timer like me). It's usually abbreviated as "ABO".

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by BigT

Could it be a youth rule?

That is an NFL rule or form of it, yes....and what some youth coaches around here thought was gospel in their ruleset until we squared them up on it.

Roughing the center/snapper to these guys meant that you couldn't line up over him either. If I had a dollar for every "they touched our center" back when I did these games, I could have a lake house up North.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Canned Heat

That is an NFL rule or form of it, yes....and what some youth coaches around here thought was gospel in their ruleset until we squared them up on it.

Roughing the center/snapper to these guys meant that you couldn't line up over him either. If I had a dollar for every "they touched our center" back when I did these games, I could have a lake house up North.

Is it only if there is contact before the snapper can be ready or just lining up over him its a foul? Is that youth or FED?

[HLin NC]

Youth rules are usually local adaptations of one of the major rule codes. You need to seek guidance from your local officials as none of us know which rules set you a using.

There is no regulation in NFHS regarding where to line up over the snapper. A B/R player may not charge directly into him, in a scrimmage kick formation, until he has an opportunity to recover from the snap or when he moves to participate in the play.

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by BigT

Is it only if there is contact before the snapper can be ready or just lining up over him its a foul? Is that youth or FED?

Fed....this group (AAYFL here in WI) used WIAA w/ adaptations at the time. I believe they still do. I have no clue what the ruleset is by you, so you need to look into that and verse yourself with it.


And that's the thing...he CAN be contacted, he just can't be blown up with his head down....B needs to let him protect himself and get his head up or avoid major contact while unprotected (head down). Many of these guys would teach their C's to snap the ball on scrimmage kick formations and keep their head down and then if a guy shot the gap and bumped their kid in the hip or leg, they wanted 15....that's not what the rule is or is there for.

Roughing the center/snapper (FED/NFHS 9-4-6) 15 yards from previous and first down.

Horse collar tackle is also a FED/NFHS rule (9-4-3k) and variations exist in NFL/NCAA/CFL) 15 yards

Good luck.

[BigT]

Originally Posted by Canned Heat

Fed....this group (AAYFL here in WI) used WIAA w/ adaptations at the time. I believe they still do. I have no clue what the ruleset is by you, so you need to look into that and verse yourself with it.


And that's the thing...he CAN be contacted, he just can't be blown up with his head down....B needs to let him protect himself and get his head up or avoid major contact while unprotected (head down). Many of these guys would teach their C's to snap the ball on scrimmage kick formations and keep their head down and then if a guy shot the gap and bumped their kid in the hip or leg, they wanted 15....that's not what the rule is or is there for.

Roughing the center/snapper (FED/NFHS 9-4-6) 15 yards from previous and first down.

Horse collar tackle is also a FED/NFHS rule (9-4-3k) and variations exist in NFL/NCAA/CFL) 15 yards

Good luck.

Thanks Can