LeBron Travel

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Yes, the rules are a bit different,

No they are not.

They (especially travelling) are a LOT different. The definition of the gather is extremely different, and on this particular play, happens WAY later than you probably think it does.

This one MIGHT actually be a travel, but it took me freeze-framing it several times to even get to "Might" - at real speed, the instant the ref decided the gather started only has to be about 4-5 frames later than I thought it was (in slo mo) for this to not be a travel at all under NBA rules. And if it's THAT close, the ref should let it go.

[potato]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

No they are not.

They (especially travelling) are a LOT different. The definition of the gather is extremely different, and on this particular play, happens WAY later than you probably think it does.

This one MIGHT actually be a travel, but it took me freeze-framing it several times to even get to "Might" - at real speed, the instant the ref decided the gather started only has to be about 4-5 frames later than I thought it was (in slo mo) for this to not be a travel at all under NBA rules. And if it's THAT close, the ref should let it go.

There was a comparison essay written here by some guy who compares FIBA/NBA/WNBA & maybe NHSF, they look pretty similar except for WNBA, i don't know what definition is different between NBA & the rest, but i believe "Dribble ended when the ball comes to a rest on a player" is about the same?

[APG]

Originally Posted by potato

There was a comparison essay written here by some guy who compares FIBA/NBA/WNBA & maybe NHSF, they look pretty similar except for WNBA, i don't know what definition is different between NBA & the rest, but i believe "Dribble ended when the ball comes to a rest on a player" is about the same?

The NBA and the WNBA rule is the same.

There are situations where what is illegal under NFHS/NCAA rules is completely legal under the pro rul set. There are also situations that are completely legal under NFHS/NCAA rules that would be illegal under pro rule sets.

[potato]

Originally Posted by APG

The NBA and the WNBA rule is the same.

There are situations where what is illegal under NFHS/NCAA rules is completely legal under the pro rul set. There are also situations that are completely legal under NFHS/NCAA rules that would be illegal under pro rule sets.

are you sure NBA is the same with WNBA rules, the summary says something about if the player catches the ball in the air, lands 1 foot 1st the other later, the later foot is the pivot in WNBA.

https://www.google.com.my/url?url=ht...d3wFx39cCn1H8g

[APG]

Originally Posted by potato

are you sure NBA is the same with WNBA rules, the summary says something about if the player catches the ball in the air, lands 1 foot 1st the other later, the later foot is the pivot in WNBA.

https://www.google.com.my/url?url=ht...d3wFx39cCn1H8g

Yes I'm sure. In your scenario, the first foot would be the pivot after the second foot landed

[Pantherdreams]

Thread brings up some premises I find interesting and think about a lot. Lets start with 2 and move on from there:

Premise 1: In relationship to the idea of marginal travels "I would rather miss one that was, then call one that wasn't."

Premise 2: Most travels happen when defense requires offense do something difficult or challenging generally on stops or finishes.

Thoughts on each:

P1 - I agree with the spirit of this premise when there are very few what we consider marginal travels in a game. As some posters have stated maybe 1-2 per game. My question becomes what is the number limit before you stop being comfortable? Is there one? If there are 5 marginal travels per game and you pass on them? If there are 20? You see where this is going . . . if we are not talking about missing/passing on 1 or 2 calls per game to avoid 1 incorrect made call, that is very different (In my mind) then missing/passing on a much larger number. What is tipping point? When is better to call 1 that might not be but make sure you get the 4 or 19 or x that were? We're not weighing 1 incorrect made call against 1 incorrect no call. What happens when the number of incorrect marginal no calls drastically outweighs what would be your 1 or small number of incorrect calls made?

P2 - I think that most travels marginal or otherwise happen on the defened take off when players are playing static 1 on 1 face up to the basket. The ball has to be released from the hand before the back foot is lifted. But i feel despite the way the rule is written and without caseplay support we as officials as a whole are much more generous with this then the language says.

[just another ref]

There are no marginal travels. It was either a travel or it wasn't. The danger comes when you start saying it's okay to pass on a "marginal" travel, as opposed to some other kind of travel. This provokes the debate what is marginal? Call the ones you see, and pass on the ones you're not certain about. And this provokes the debate of how certain one must be, which leads some to use percentages.


Just call the game and be prepared to deal with the fallout. There generally will be some, no matter what you do or don't do.