Free Throw Shooter

[ballgame99]

I actually appreciate this clarification, but I still have questions. If a defender violates, and does so enough to be considered a common foul, do I have the option of calling the foul over the violation? or do I have to go with the violation since it happened first? But then wouldn't my foul then potentially be a dead ball foul? Would it depend on if the FT is good or not?

Hypothetical: FT shooter releases, defender crosses the FT line (violation) and slams into the shooters knees (enough for a common foul) while the shot is still in the air.
A) shot misses
B) shot is made

If A, then should we just call the violation and award another FT, but if B call the foul since the violation is waived? If contact is significant enough, could you potentially have a violation AND a technical on a miss? Because I can't call a violation AND a common foul can I?

For you guys that don't think this is an issue, you must not do much girls varsity. Girls are bad about this. At least from where I am.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I actually appreciate this clarification, but I still have questions. If a defender violates, and does so enough to be considered a common foul, do I have the option of calling the foul over the violation? or do I have to go with the violation since it happened first? But then wouldn't my foul then potentially be a dead ball foul? Would it depend on if the FT is good or not?

Hypothetical: FT shooter releases, defender crosses the FT line (violation) and slams into the shooters knees (enough for a common foul) while the shot is still in the air.
A) shot misses
B) shot is made

If A, then should we just call the violation and award another FT, but if B call the foul since the violation is waived? If contact is significant enough, could you potentially have a violation AND a technical on a miss? Because I can't call a violation AND a common foul can I?

For you guys that don't think this is an issue, you must not do much girls varsity. Girls are bad about this. At least from where I am.

I was going over this scenario with some friends last night.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I actually appreciate this clarification, but I still have questions. If a defender violates, and does so enough to be considered a common foul, do I have the option of calling the foul over the violation? or do I have to go with the violation since it happened first? But then wouldn't my foul then potentially be a dead ball foul? Would it depend on if the FT is good or not?

Hypothetical: FT shooter releases, defender crosses the FT line (violation) and slams into the shooters knees (enough for a common foul) while the shot is still in the air.
A) shot misses
B) shot is made

If A, then should we just call the violation and award another FT, but if B call the foul since the violation is waived? If contact is significant enough, could you potentially have a violation AND a technical on a miss? Because I can't call a violation AND a common foul can I?

For you guys that don't think this is an issue, you must not do much girls varsity. Girls are bad about this. At least from where I am.

Remember, when the defense violates during a free throw the ball remains live. Play continues. When the player who violates continues into the shooter while the ball is live it is a common foul unless you deem it intentional/flagrant etc.

If the FT is missed the violation is penalized--replacement FT with no one on line. (if the violation and foul were on first shot of two shot foul then also shoot the second one with no one on line.) Then penalize the foul. If the FT was made the violation is not penalized. Penalize the foul. thx

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Remember, when the defense violates during a free throw the ball remains live. Play continues. When the player who violates continues into the shooter while the ball is live it is a common foul unless you deem it intentional/flagrant etc.

If the FT is missed the violation is penalized--replacement FT with no one on line. (if the violation and foul were on first shot of two shot foul then also shoot the second one with no one on line.) Then penalize the foul. If the FT was made the violation is not penalized. Penalize the foul. thx

This was our consensus.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by OKREF

This was our consensus.

You also have to adjust it based on whether the contact was before or after the ball goes through the basket. If it's after, the contact would be ignored unless it's I or F.

or, you can just assume that if the violation happened, then the contact happened before the ball went through.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You also have to adjust it based on whether the contact was before or after the ball goes through the basket. If it's after, the contact would be ignored unless it's I or F.

or, you can just assume that if the violation happened, then the contact happened before the ball went through.

Yes sir. Could possibly have nothing on the contact since it could be dead ball contact.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Yes sir. Could possibly have nothing on the contact since it could be dead ball contact.

I cannot think of a legitimate reason why someone would be initiating contact 15' from the basket after the ball goes through the net.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I cannot think of a legitimate reason why someone would be initiating contact 15' from the basket after the ball goes through the net.

It could feasibly happen, although not likely, most likely the contact would begin prior to the ball going through the basket.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I cannot think of a legitimate reason why someone would be initiating contact 15' from the basket after the ball goes through the net.

I do not associate the phrase "legitimate reason" with teenagers.....

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I cannot think of a legitimate reason why someone would be initiating contact 15' from the basket after the ball goes through the net.

Anticipation....they start moving towards contact before the shot goes in, the ball goes in, then they make contact.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You also have to adjust it based on whether the contact was before or after the ball goes through the basket. If it's after, the contact would be ignored unless it's I or F. ... or, you can just assume that if the violation happened, then the contact happened before the ball went through.

For what it's worth, if anything, here's Mr. Webb's IAABO Power Point slide from IAABO's 2014-15 new rules presentation:

If there is contact on the free throw shooter by the defender who breaks the free throw line plane, ignore contact unless intentional.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Remember, when the defense violates during a free throw the ball remains live. Play continues. When the player who violates continues into the shooter while the ball is live it is a common foul unless you deem it intentional/flagrant etc.

If the FT is missed the violation is penalized--replacement FT with no one on line. (if the violation and foul were on first shot of two shot foul then also shoot the second one with no one on line.) Then penalize the foul. If the FT was made the violation is not penalized. Penalize the foul. thx

That makes sense. Thanks.