More NBA traveling...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mcuban

i agree 100pct. We have to simplify the rule book so that we have more automatic calls

Ive given them a long list. Will be interesting to see what gets traction. Things like
1. 2ndary defender cant step in and get a charge. You have to be actively guarding to get a charge. Just step in to try to beat to a spot and its automatic block

2. Grab/Clench in the post and its automatic foul, no matter what. Guys know that its tough to see, and when its seen, the official has to decide if it impacts the game. Grabs and clenches lead to pushes and shoves to extricate.

3. allow 3 steps for a layup. It doesnt really impact the game, it just looks bad and determining which is the first step can be tough. So make it 3 and deal with the heat we will get for it

4. Better define what a legal screen is. Open to suggestions here

5. Better define what is or isnt incidental contact on drives to the basket. Offensive players have figured out that the officials look at the bodies of the defenders. When there is contact , its very rare it becomes an offensive foul, and its likely its a defensive foul, so we see guys trying to create contact for the sake of conact

6. Get rid of verticality. Block the shot or get out of the way

Feel free to rip me to shreds

Don't like #1 or #6. That penalizes good defense. Everyone on the court should be entitled to their space on the floor up to the ceiling.

What would be great is if you would come to an officiating camp. Joey Crawford and Duke Callahan run a 2-day camp at Villanova June 19-20. It's strictly a teaching environment with all the evaluators NBA officials (and all proceeds go to charity). You should give Joey a call.

BTW, I'm still mad about that White Castle comment earlier this year.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mcuban

i agree 100pct. We have to simplify the rule book so that we have more automatic calls

Ive given them a long list. Will be interesting to see what gets traction. Things like
1. 2ndary defender cant step in and get a charge. You have to be actively guarding to get a charge. Just step in to try to beat to a spot and its automatic block

2. Grab/Clench in the post and its automatic foul, no matter what. Guys know that its tough to see, and when its seen, the official has to decide if it impacts the game. Grabs and clenches lead to pushes and shoves to extricate.

3. allow 3 steps for a layup. It doesnt really impact the game, it just looks bad and determining which is the first step can be tough. So make it 3 and deal with the heat we will get for it

4. Better define what a legal screen is. Open to suggestions here

5. Better define what is or isnt incidental contact on drives to the basket. Offensive players have figured out that the officials look at the bodies of the defenders. When there is contact , its very rare it becomes an offensive foul, and its likely its a defensive foul, so we see guys trying to create contact for the sake of conact

6. Get rid of verticality. Block the shot or get out of the way

Feel free to rip me to shreds

#1: This penalizes team defense. Not a fan.

#2: I'd be ok with this.

#3 if you allow three by rule, then they'll take four. The NBA rule already allows an extra step on this from other rule sets. Why go further?

#4 I'm not sure this needs defined more than enforced. But I'm also not convinced these aren't already getting called correctly.

#5 Again, just a matter of enforcement. The NBA officials are excellent. Have them no-call a lot of the offense-initiated contact and it'll stop because guys will be missing shots because they put themselves off balance.

#6 I just think this is a bad idea. Good defenders know how to pick and choose when to block a shot. Good shooters know how to avoid it. This rule isn't broken, IMO, so it doesn't need fixed.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

3. The language of the NBA traveling rule is vague and unclear. There is something about a two-count rhythm being permitted after catching the ball. I have no idea what that means and I've officiated HS and college. Is that steps, seconds, heartbeats, times a shoe may contact the floor (same foot or both feet)? I truly believe that the fans, players, and officials are unsure about the rule because of this language. Therefore officials have to allow questionable footwork in catching the ball at the end of a dribble or when receiving a pass while in motion. They just aren't certain what is illegal and should be penalized. This text needs to be rewritten. I would prefer seeing the language used by FIBA or the NCAA. In any case the rules for traveling need to be consistent throughout HS, college, and the professional ranks. This would permit players and officials to develop familiarity with proper footwork as they advance up the levels of competition.
Note that I purposely criticized a blatant traveling violation from a playoff game which did NOT involve a player just receiving the ball, but one in which he already had it, in an attempt to avoid the argument that the NBA traveling rule is different (from HS, college, and FIBA).

Here's the NBA travel rule as written in this year's rule book. I really don't see anything vague or unclear. There are terms we don't use but it's a different game from ours. As has been said, the rule is different from NF and NCAA though a lot of things are the same.

As for being the same from HS up to the pro level, why? They're better than HS and college players and they're also entertainers. If you think no one goes to a HS or college game to see officials call traveling that's really the case in an NBA game. Again, better to miss some travels than miss some fouls.

Section XIII—Traveling
a. A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball.
A player who receives the ball while he is progressing must release the ball to start his dribble before his second step.
The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.
The second step occurs after the first step when the other foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.
A player who comes to a stop on step one when both feet are on the floor or touch the floor simultaneously may pivot using either foot as his pivot. If he jumps with both feet he must release the ball before either foot touches the floor.
A player who lands with one foot first may only pivot using that foot.
A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor.
c. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player’s hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
d. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.
e. A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding.
f. A player who attempts a field goal may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, basket ring or another player.
g. A player may not be the first to touch his own pass unless the ball touches his backboard, basket ring or another player.
h. Upon ending his dribble or gaining control of the ball, a player may not touch the floor consecutively with the same foot (hop).