Traveling or nothing!

[VaCoach]

I have seen this called many times over the years, but would like to know if the call is correct and where in the rules does it state this is a violation.

Two teammates secure a rebound at same time, neither realizing that other player holding the ball is a teammate A1 has a pivot foot established on the floor the entire play. A2 is tiring to pull ball away and he moves both feet while tiring to do so. One player has a legal pivot foot and one is moving both feet while both are in control of the ball. I have seen this called walking many times. Is that a correct call? Where in Book is it found? Why should the illegal players actions hold more weight than the legal players action?

[tjones1]

Simple answer is that it is a violation. I don't have the book to cite for you. But I'm sure someone will do that for me, before I get back to my desk. If not, I will whenever I return.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by VaCoach

I have seen this called many times over the years, but would like to know if the call is correct and where in the rules does it state this is a violation.

Two teammates secure a rebound at same time, neither realizing that other player holding the ball is a teammate A1 has a pivot foot established on the floor the entire play. A2 is tiring to pull ball away and he moves both feet while tiring to do so. One player has a legal pivot foot and one is moving both feet while both are in control of the ball. I have seen this called walking many times. Is that a correct call? Where in Book is it found? Why should the illegal players actions hold more weight than the legal players action?

Once you accept the concept that both A1 & A2 can have player control at the same time it becomes easier to understand.

If you can't accept that then do you think it's legal for A1 & A2 to walk down the court while both hold the ball?

[btaylor64]

Coach, both of them have to have a pivot foot not just one

[mick]

Originally Posted by VaCoach

I have seen this called many times over the years, but would like to know if the call is correct and where in the rules does it state this is a violation.

Two teammates secure a rebound at same time, neither realizing that other player holding the ball is a teammate A1 has a pivot foot established on the floor the entire play. A2 is tiring to pull ball away and he moves both feet while tiring to do so. One player has a legal pivot foot and one is moving both feet while both are in control of the ball. I have seen this called walking many times. Is that a correct call? Where in Book is it found? Why should the illegal players actions hold more weight than the legal players action?

Case 4.44.2 explains

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Once you accept the concept that both A1 & A2 can have player control at the same time it becomes easier to understand.

If you can't accept that then do you think it's legal for A1 & A2 to walk down the court while both hold the ball?

So if A1 & B1 both catch a rebound at the same time and B1 immediately calls a timeout are you going to grant it? I've always wondered this.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

So if A1 & B1 both catch a rebound at the same time and B1 immediately calls a timeout are you going to grant it? I've always wondered this.

Player control team control doesn't apply to opponents, as in your picture.

Edit: Oops

[Adam]

I've seen that look on girls all the time. When they tie the ball up, they tend to look at the ref to make the call. When boys tie it up, they keep trying to get it. There are, obviously, exceptions.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Team control doesn't apply to opponents, as in your picture.

How can both teammates have player control, but opponents can't have player control? Is there a rule that states this?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

How can both teammates have player control, but opponents can't have player control? Is there a rule that states this?

Umm...

4-25-1

[deecee]

however the one stich is that if A1 has his/her right foot as pivot A2 must have his/her left foot as pivot -- this of course to mirror the pivot foot pinciple outlined in 3.4.2 sitA.

One exception is that if wither A1 or A2 first name begins with a "K" they can use their opposite foot as their pivot. 3.4.2 sitA exception1.

If you are curious where I got this from, its from the secret abridged 2006 rule book. I had to steal it from Frodo because he was gonna chuck it into the volcano as well.

[mick]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Umm...

4-25-1

4-12-3b

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by mick

4-12-3b

That too! Thanks Mick!

[All_Heart]

Thanks guys!

It's alot easier to make rulings on these plays now that I understand the rule

Now for another question

If A1 has control and B1 then grabs the ball which moves A1's pivot foot (think of a hard pull on the ball), this would be a travel, correct?

[deecee]

jump ball --