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Old Sun May 03, 2015, 10:51pm
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If you are following the book verbatim. Fist up. Head behind the head. Then point direction.

If you realize that the PC signal is the most useless thing in basketball. Fist up- fist out. There may or may not be an increase in the amount of whistles when calling said offensive foul.

In a HS game I'll give the proper PC signal at the table.
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Old Mon May 04, 2015, 12:42pm
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If you are following the book verbatim. Fist up. Head behind the head. Then point direction.
I don't believe the NFHS Officials Manual says anything about pointing the direction. Going literally from the signal sheet, the sequence would be fist-hand behind head-point to spot of resulting inbound-go to table.
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Old Mon May 04, 2015, 12:51pm
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Fist in the air with a (single) simultaneous blast of the whistle; hand behind the head, then point in the direction the ball will be put in play towards with the same hand to indicate there are no shots, but a throw in. When the whistle is out of your mouth say, "white, 25" and what he did. I usually just say, "charge." At the table, its, "white, 2-5, player control, blue ball, out of bounds" and point to the spot of the throw in.
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Old Mon May 04, 2015, 02:02pm
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At the table, its, "white, 2-5, player control, blue ball, out of bounds" and point to the spot of the throw in.
Do you say all that for every report or just for PC fouls so as to eliminate any possibility of confusion?
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Old Wed May 06, 2015, 07:35pm
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Fist in the air with a (single) simultaneous blast of the whistle; hand behind the head, then point in the direction the ball will be put in play towards with the same hand to indicate there are no shots, but a throw in. When the whistle is out of your mouth say, "white, 25" and what he did. I usually just say, "charge." At the table, its, "white, 2-5, player control, blue ball, out of bounds" and point to the spot of the throw in.

Why do you say twenty-five at the spot and then two-five at the table?

Many camps,clinicians, and manuals suggest using the full number ( twenty-five in this case) whenever you give a number.
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Old Wed May 06, 2015, 08:38pm
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The NFHS mechanic is whistle, fist, hand behind the head, and then point the other way. All with same hand. No punch at all
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Old Wed May 06, 2015, 09:32pm
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The NFHS mechanic is whistle, fist, hand behind the head, and then point the other way. All with same hand. No punch at all
Can you tell me where the highlighted part is please?
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Old Thu May 07, 2015, 07:36am
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Can you tell me where the highlighted part is please?
Every camp I've been to in the last five years. Every instructor, evaluator, and every staff member has said this.
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Old Fri May 08, 2015, 02:40pm
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Fist in the air with a (single) simultaneous blast of the whistle; hand behind the head, then point in the direction the ball will be put in play towards with the same hand to indicate there are no shots, but a throw in. When the whistle is out of your mouth say, "white, 25" and what he did. I usually just say, "charge." At the table, its, "white, 2-5, player control, blue ball, out of bounds" and point to the spot of the throw in.
*I follow the procedure described by this post (above)--no need for me to conjure up a modified mechanic. Only exception is that I will say
"white, twenty-five". Instead of saying "white, 2 - 5". However, the score table will always verbally verify that I am saying 'player number 25 instead of "player number 2 and/or player number 5". So, this is a minute detail dictated more by training than tenet.
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Old Sat May 09, 2015, 02:10pm
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*I follow the procedure described by this post (above)--no need for me to conjure up a modified mechanic. Only exception is that I will say
"white, twenty-five". Instead of saying "white, 2 - 5". However, the score table will always verbally verify that I am saying 'player number 25 instead of "player number 2 and/or player number 5". So, this is a minute detail dictated more by training than tenet.

Don't say 2-5. Say twenty five.
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Old Sat May 09, 2015, 03:37pm
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Don't say 2-5. Say twenty five.
And who is going to stop me or anyone else that does?

This is about as silly a thing to get upset by if you ask me.

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Old Sat May 09, 2015, 07:13pm
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Chutes And Ladders ...

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And who is going to stop me or anyone else that does?
JRutledge: You've already made it to the top of the scholastic basketball officiating ladder, so you can pretty much do, within reason, whatever you want. Plus you're a clinician so I'm sure that you follow your own advice. So, to answer the first part of your question, nobody is going to stop you.

Now let's deal with some of the "anyone else".

For those starting at the bottom of the ladder, I suggest that they follow the advice of their assigner, and their interpreter (clinician).

If they say to say, "Twenty-five.", than by all means say, "Twenty-five."

If they say to say, "Two. Five.", than by all means say, "Two. Five."

If they say that either is acceptable, then do whatever feels right for you, but I would try to emulate the successful officials in your association.

If they're giving you mixed messages, then follow the advice of the one that will have the greatest impact on you moving up the ladder, probably your assigner.
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Old Wed May 06, 2015, 03:50pm
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Good discussion....

I blow once with fist in air, then point with open palm in oppo direction while saying "playing control". Then point to spot of throw in.

When reporting to table, I put my hand behind my head after reporting color and number. Then point to throw in spot.

I'm trying working hard on several things this summer, one which is to use the proper mechanic when I blow - not just at the table.
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Old Sun May 10, 2015, 05:41pm
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Stopping the clock with a raised fist and then signaling the direction of the ball while placing a hand behind your head is the proper NFHS mechanic and if you are new and/or being evaluated a a HS official, that's what you should do.
That being said, most veteran officials adopt a variation of the NBA style fist punch. If I do that, I give the proper PC foul signal when I report to the table.

Using a multiple whistle for a player control foul is a way to make it clear, particularly to your partners, that you are calling a PC foul. Block = single whistle and charge = multiple whistle. This is not a rule, this is simply a matter of personal preference and are one of the little nuances that help show your command of the game.

The proper mechanic for a team control foul is to give the normal raised fist foul signal and then to drop the fist so that it is facing forward. The proper mechanic is not a punch. Again, most officials have either adopted the punch or give the raised fist foul signal and point in the direction of the ball. Again, a multiple whistle helps signal what you are calling, but is by no means a requisite.
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