The 9-step pivot

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

Yep, and just fleshing this out a bit.

The point at which you would call a double dribble if the player proceeds to dribble is the point at which you should consider the ball to be "held" for purposes of pivot foot establishment.

That's not necessarily true. Say a player stumbles then lunges and barely touches the ball with both hands, that would end the dribble but there could be a loss of control.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That's not necessarily true. Say a player stumbles then lunges and barely touches the ball with both hands, that would end the dribble but there could be a loss of control.

Fair point, but I'd say the guideline would only apply to determining when a player began holding the ball. If he's not holding it as he stumbles, or even if he fumbles at some point before moving, a travel wouldn't necessarily apply.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That's not necessarily true. Say a player stumbles then lunges and barely touches the ball with both hands, that would end the dribble but there could be a loss of control.

The point in my post ('unless they lose player control") to which he responded covered that possibility. Loss of control would always end any possibility of a travel. But, I think, that in most cases, control is not lost between the end of the dribble and what immediately follows.