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gsf23 Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:54pm

The 9-step pivot
 
Kendrick Perkins of the Cavs takes 9 steps with no travel called. I know it's the NBA but at least make an effort.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6MZTh6qRgA


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Rich Sat Apr 11, 2015 07:32am

He's not pressured, he's not moving from his spot on the floor. Why is anyone surprised nobody noticed the travel -- do you folks stare at the ball handler's feet when he's not pressured?

BoomerSooner Sat Apr 11, 2015 07:55am

I don't stare at a players feet but I try to stay far enough away and maintain a good angle in order to be able to see the entire player. I actually think the travel here was probably easier to catch earlier rather than later. I can see your point about not staring at his feet but in the first few steps after initial catch is when the travel seems most obvious to me. You would think someone should have been watching that action.

BoomerSooner Sat Apr 11, 2015 08:01am

On second thought, it was Kendrick Perkins, so the crew was probably looking for off-ball fouls against players trying to get open for a pass from Perk. I'm a Thunder fan and a FoP (Friend of Perk; his semi-unofficial fan club while he was in OKC), but everyone had to know he wasn't going to make a move to score the ball.

Adam Sat Apr 11, 2015 08:57am

I'm guessing they'll regret not getting this.

bainsey Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 960730)
...do you folks stare at the ball handler's feet when he's not pressured?

Stare, no. Notice, yes. That's our job. Identify the pivot foot. Pivot foot up + pivot foot down = travel.

This guy took nine steps, because we allow these fundamentals to erode.

Adam Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 960739)
Stare, no. Notice, yes. That's our job. Identify the pivot foot. Pivot foot up + pivot foot down = travel.

This guy took nine steps, because we allow these fundamentals to erode.

He took 9 steps because he has no business with the ball in his hands more than 3 feet from the rim. The refs missed it, likely because they never see him with the ball more than 3 feet from the rim and he wasn't being guarded. It happens.

It reminded me so much of the YMCA games I've done where the biggest kid on the court suddenly finds himself with the ball and no clue what to do next.

Camron Rust Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 960730)
He's not pressured, he's not moving from his spot on the floor. Why is anyone surprised nobody noticed the travel -- do you folks stare at the ball handler's feet when he's not pressured?

Rich, this one is a bit much even for you to defend.

Rich Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 960743)
Rich, this one is a bit much even for you to defend.

Not defending, just not surprised.

Doesn't appear anyone there actually cared, either, so why should we?

mutantducky Sat Apr 11, 2015 02:15pm

man that was funny. I think HS and college refs would have seen it but NBA really teaches to watch off-ball stuff and to know the players. KP isn't going to do anything there.

JRutledge Sat Apr 11, 2015 02:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 960744)
Not defending, just not surprised.

Doesn't appear anyone there actually cared, either, so why should we?

I am with Rich on this one. Yeah you could have called it, but like Rich said, no one really would have cared.

Peace

AremRed Sat Apr 11, 2015 03:43pm

No travel, no advantage.

Adam Sat Apr 11, 2015 03:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 960750)
No travel, no advantage.

I might buy that for 2 or 3 steps, but this is just embarrassing to miss (and I'd bet the official responsible for this would agree).

Camron Rust Sat Apr 11, 2015 04:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 960750)
No travel, no advantage.

So, if a player steps OOB with no one on them and doesn't get anything out of it, it is not a violation either? (Violations are not advantage/disadvantage situations).

Rich Sat Apr 11, 2015 05:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 960753)
So, if a player steps OOB with no one on them and doesn't get anything out of it, it is not a violation either? (Violations are not advantage/disadvantage situations).

Sure they are, despite all the hand-wringing. I'm sure you've seen someone with a foot on the far lane line for more than 3 seconds and haven't called it.


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