CA Open Championship (Boys)

[mutantducky]

I saw that too. I think the rules committee really needs to look at that because I see it called so inconsistency and often ignored.
I often see a player raise his hands up really fast. Makes it seem like a rebounding issue but really it is to distract the FT shooter. I'd rather have it clearer and more examples on when to call it because it seems to be all over the place. The players really don't know either what crosses the line.

[mutantducky]

We had a discussion earlier about black and white, literal reading of the rules, etc. There is the correct call but there can also by the RIGHT call. The right call can mean passing on a foul that could have been called.
By rule could the refs have called a T? Yes, they could have. But if you had watched the game as I did(and Nevada too I think) you would realize it would have gone against the spirit of the game. It would not have been the right way to end the game. I think Nevada(note-I may be wrong) was more in favor of the literal interpretation, by myself and others, thought you don't always call the game by the book. There are times when you don't call hand-checks and minor fouls.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

By rule could the refs have called a T? .

No. You're skipping a step. First, the official should have granted the timeout. There is no provision in the rulebook, casebook, or the mechanics manual, for an official to ignore a legal request for timeout out just because the official knows that the team has used their last timeout.

Second, after the official scorekeeper confirms that the team has used an excess timeout, the technical foul is charged, but only after the timeout is granted, and used.

[rockyroad]

You know, there was this college game a few years back where this guy named Chris Weber was playing with these other 4 really good players from Michigan, and wouldn't you know it, he tried to call a timeout thingy when they didn't have any timeout thingys left.

Good thing for him the refs just chose to ignore his request, cause it was just too good of a game to end with...wait. What? The refs did give him the timeout? And called a T??????

Why those dirty basturds. I bet they got run out of town and never worked another big college game in their...what??? They did???

Never mind.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

You know, there was this college game a few years back where this guy named Chris Weber was playing with these other 4 really good players from Michigan, and wouldn't you know it, he tried to call a timeout thingy when they didn't have any timeout thingys left.

Good thing for him the refs just chose to ignore his request, cause it was just too good of a game to end with...wait. What? The refs did give him the timeout? And called a T??????

Why those dirty basturds. I bet they got run out of town and never worked another big college game in their...what??? They did???

Never mind.

Hey. That's my schtick.

Note: Well done rockyroad.

[referee99]

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by referee99

White's bench sure thought they granted the time-out request lol

That said, there sounded like several whistles going off in the final second or two...maybe they were unsure if there was time on the clock when they granted the TO?

Guess only a handful of people really know the answers.


As an aside, lets say this "ignored" TO request happens with 7 seconds left instead of 1. And lets say that the defense sees the request and rightfully stops playing defense, because the other team is clearly calling time out. But, the officials choose to ignore the rule and the offensive team goes the length of the court to win.....is that a better result?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

You know, there was this college game a few years back where this guy named Chris Weber was playing with these other 4 really good players from Michigan, and wouldn't you know it, he tried to call a timeout thingy when they didn't have any timeout thingys left.

Good thing for him the refs just chose to ignore his request, cause it was just too good of a game to end with...wait. What? The refs did give him the timeout? And called a T??????

Why those dirty basturds. I bet they got run out of town and never worked another big college game in their...what??? They did???

Never mind.

This would be a really easy decision for me on the floor. Like I've said to others, this isn't football, where we're expected to ignore the request.

[mutantducky]

yes but there was 11 seconds to go in the C-Webb game. I said if there had been more time then then it would have likely been granted.
In this situation, it was off a miss, a player without the ball. And pretty much everyone else thinking the time had run out. Maybe one second to go.
My point is, if the refs had seen the TO request, the right thing to do was to ignore it and let the game be rather than a horrible ending which that would have been.

[APG]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

My point is, if the refs had seen the TO request, the right thing to do was to ignore it and let the game be rather than a horrible ending which that would have been.

An ending made "horrible" due to a player's/coach's mental mistake.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

... the right thing to do was to ignore it ...

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

yes but there was 11 seconds to go in the C-Webb game. I said if there had been more time then then it would have likely been granted.
In this situation, it was off a miss, a player without the ball. And pretty much everyone else thinking the time had run out. Maybe one second to go.
My point is, if the refs had seen the TO request, the right thing to do was to ignore it and let the game be rather than a horrible ending which that would have been.

Please post the CIF Section in which you officiate so that they can be contacted and told that you are in need of additional training.

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

My point is, if the refs had seen the TO request, the right thing to do was to ignore it and let the game be rather than a horrible ending which that would have been.

Simply stated..as officials, we get into trouble when we don't understand the rules or misapply them or blow them off. Many decisions that we make are necessary but unpopular..that is called courage and it is part of what makes a great official...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

I saw that too. I think the rules committee really needs to look at that because I see it called so inconsistency and often ignored.
I often see a player raise his hands up really fast. Makes it seem like a rebounding issue but really it is to distract the FT shooter. I'd rather have it clearer and more examples on when to call it because it seems to be all over the place. The players really don't know either what crosses the line.

If you call it the first time it happens you won't have worry about where that threshold is the rest of the game.