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rockyroad

You know, there was this college game a few years back where this guy named Chris Weber was playing with these other 4 really good players from Michigan, and wouldn't you know it, he tried to call a timeout thingy when they didn't have any timeout thingys left.

Good thing for him the refs just chose to ignore his request, cause it was just too good of a game to end with...wait. What? The refs did give him the timeout? And called a T??????

Why those dirty basturds. I bet they got run out of town and never worked another big college game in their...what??? They did???

Never mind.

BillyMac

rockyroad wrote
You know, there was this college game a few years back where this guy named Chris Weber was playing with these other 4 really good players from Michigan, and wouldn't you know it, he tried to call a timeout thingy when they didn't have any timeout thingys left.

Good thing for him the refs just chose to ignore his request, cause it was just too good of a game to end with...wait. What? The refs did give him the timeout? And called a T??????

Why those dirty basturds. I bet they got run out of town and never worked another big college game in their...what??? They did???

Never mind.

Hey. That's my schtick.

Note: Well done rockyroad.

Rich

rockyroad wrote
You know, there was this college game a few years back where this guy named Chris Weber was playing with these other 4 really good players from Michigan, and wouldn't you know it, he tried to call a timeout thingy when they didn't have any timeout thingys left.

Good thing for him the refs just chose to ignore his request, cause it was just too good of a game to end with...wait. What? The refs did give him the timeout? And called a T??????

Why those dirty basturds. I bet they got run out of town and never worked another big college game in their...what??? They did???

Never mind.

This would be a really easy decision for me on the floor. Like I've said to others, this isn't football, where we're expected to ignore the request.

mutantducky

yes but there was 11 seconds to go in the C-Webb game. I said if there had been more time then then it would have likely been granted.
In this situation, it was off a miss, a player without the ball. And pretty much everyone else thinking the time had run out. Maybe one second to go.
My point is, if the refs had seen the TO request, the right thing to do was to ignore it and let the game be rather than a horrible ending which that would have been.

APG

mutantducky wrote
My point is, if the refs had seen the TO request, the right thing to do was to ignore it and let the game be rather than a horrible ending which that would have been.

An ending made "horrible" due to a player's/coach's mental mistake.

BillyMac

mutantducky wrote
... the right thing to do was to ignore it ...

rockyroad

some people just don't get it...

Nevadaref

mutantducky wrote
yes but there was 11 seconds to go in the C-Webb game. I said if there had been more time then then it would have likely been granted.
In this situation, it was off a miss, a player without the ball. And pretty much everyone else thinking the time had run out. Maybe one second to go.
My point is, if the refs had seen the TO request, the right thing to do was to ignore it and let the game be rather than a horrible ending which that would have been.

Please post the CIF Section in which you officiate so that they can be contacted and told that you are in need of additional training.

Raymond

mutantducky wrote
I saw that too. I think the rules committee really needs to look at that because I see it called so inconsistency and often ignored.
I often see a player raise his hands up really fast. Makes it seem like a rebounding issue but really it is to distract the FT shooter. I'd rather have it clearer and more examples on when to call it because it seems to be all over the place. The players really don't know either what crosses the line.

If you call it the first time it happens you won't have worry about where that threshold is the rest of the game. 😉

Adam

mutantducky wrote
if you watched the game I think you'd have agreed with me.
Again, like I said, it was very quick from the TO request and the end of regulation. Maybe the refs didn't see it. IDK. But absolutely it was the right move to ignore the T if that was the case as it would have meant a Technical foul with maybe .5 seconds left or something.

It was a good game with a fitting end.

I don't need to see the game to know that the idea of an official ignoring a timeout request to avoid a technical foul is a horrible idea.

The_Rookie

mutantducky wrote
My point is, if the refs had seen the TO request, the right thing to do was to ignore it and let the game be rather than a horrible ending which that would have been.

Simply stated..as officials, we get into trouble when we don't understand the rules or misapply them or blow them off. Many decisions that we make are necessary but unpopular..that is called courage and it is part of what makes a great official...🙂

mutantducky

I would never grant a TO with one second to go in a highly contested game, one of the best in the nation, if it meant the game would end like that.
btw, those were three highly regarded refs. None of them called it (assuming they had seen it)

referee99

MechanicGuy

mutantducky wrote
I would never grant a TO with one second to go in a highly contested game, one of the best in the nation, if it meant the game would end like that.
btw, those were three highly regarded refs. None of them called it (assuming they had seen it)

This is an embarrassment.

What other rules do you selectively ignore?

If a kid travels on a game winning half court shot do you let it go so the game doesn't end like that?

MechanicGuy

referee99 wrote

White's bench sure thought they granted the time-out request lol

That said, there sounded like several whistles going off in the final second or two...maybe they were unsure if there was time on the clock when they granted the TO?

Guess only a handful of people really know the answers.

As an aside, lets say this "ignored" TO request happens with 7 seconds left instead of 1. And lets say that the defense sees the request and rightfully stops playing defense, because the other team is clearly calling time out. But, the officials choose to ignore the rule and the offensive team goes the length of the court to win.....is that a better result?

just another ref

MechanicGuy wrote
And lets say that the defense sees the request and rightfully stops playing defense, because the other team is clearly calling time out. But, the officials choose to ignore the rule and the offensive team goes the length of the court to win.....is that a better result?

If the defense stops as soon as they think they hear a request, they deserve whatever happens to them.

mutantducky

there clearly is a whistle or two. When I saw it live, I thought a TO had been granted. I thought the refs were discussing whether or not to put time back on the clock to give O'Dowd the ball. I didn't know there weren't any timeouts left and The tv people didn't know and they talked about that after. Listen I know about ignoring the tech and the issues that could arise but trust me if you watched the game you did not want to see end that way. But yes clearly there could have been an issue had there been another second or two on the clock. It appears to me one of the refs see the TO request and blows the whistle but time has run out, or they just let the clock run. It seemed to have stopped at .8. I don't know. I'm just glad I saw a quality game between two very good teams.

you see how the clock is stopped at .8? I think that was the clock operator, then it restarts. ha, what a mess that would have been if that last heave had gone in.

JRutledge

Well in our playoffs at the Super-Sectional Level a coach requested a timeout without one and the crew granted it. The only mistake the crew made was to not give the timeout. Otherwise the crew knew the coach/team was out and granted it anyway with less than a minute. What was funny the team that asked for a timeout that they did not have, hit a buzzer beater to send the game into overtime. The team eventually lost in overtime, but I think we cannot just ignore these request just because. You never know what the result might be.

Peace

APG

mutantducky wrote
Listen I know about ignoring the tech and the issues that could arise but trust me if you watched the game you did not want to see end that way.

This statement reads as one coming more from a fan rather than official.

Pray tell...how would an assignor defend you if a coach were to send tape in asking why the officials didn't grant the timeout? There's nothing ambiguous about the request...the player is signaling for a timeout for 2 seconds...right in front of the new lead.

Also, what is your cut off for how much time must be on the clock before you'd grant a timeout? Four seconds? Why that? Why would you be able to see a game "end that way" with a request at four seconds rather than two? Hell, why not just ignore all requests in a tied game in the closing 30 seconds? What if it's a bad game but tied? How do you determine what's a good game and thus not worthy of being "ended that way?"

Part of this gig is being able to make calls of consequence....in end of game situations...that will adversely affect a team. It's not really in the job description to stop players/coaches from making stupid mistakes.

*I say this all with the caveat that some assignors would probably want you to ignore this...therefore listen to your boss.

Rich

There's a number of officials on the FB Referees page that agree with Ducky. Really makes me sad.

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