Louisville/NC State travel on 3pt play (Video)

Gather is in the air.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Gather is in the air.

But he's holding the ball while still on the floor....which is what the travel rules are based on.

It is fine if we want to change the travel rules to some yet to be defined new status of the ball or even admit we're already calling it by a standard not in the rules but lets not pretend this isn't traveling by the rules because it is.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

But he's holding the ball while still on the floor....which is what the travel rules are based on.

It is fine if we want to change the travel rules to some yet to be defined new status of the ball or even admit we're already calling it by a standard not in the rules but lets not pretend this isn't traveling by the rules because it is.

Touching both hands doesn't immediately equate to "holding." At least not how I see it, anyway.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

Touching both hands doesn't immediately equate to "holding." At least not how I see it, anyway.

When it is between two hands and doesn't come out, that is holding the ball. Not sure what else it could be. Doesn't seem like the position of the ball has any relevance, by rule, as it seems some are trying to imply.

Also, does that player have player control? if there were an offensive foul by that player at that moment, would it be a player control foul? If someone requested a timeout at that moment, would you grant the timeout?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

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Also, does that player have player control? if there were an offensive foul by that player at that moment, would it be a player control foul? If someone requested a timeout at that moment, would you grant the timeout?

What does PC have to do with this? A player dribbling a basketball has PC without holding the ball. Are we pretending now that the process of gathering a dribble negates PC?

[Coach Bill]

Even though, it's technically a travel, it's (almost) never called. I see the problem not being that this wasn't called a travel, but the rare times when it is. Because the kid has probably done the move 100 times before and never been called, but now it's a travel?

You can see the issue from the discussion on here. Some refs would call it, most refs wouldn't. It really shouldn't come down to who's reffing your game that night.

I'd be fine with calling the travel every time, or letting it go every time.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What does PC have to do with this? A player dribbling a basketball has PC without holding the ball. Are we pretending now that the process of gathering a dribble negates PC?

Exactly the opposite. The point is that there are only two ways to have PC....by dribbling or holding. There is no third option. Unless you are willing to state that the player loses player control for some span of time during the transition from dribbling to holding, the end of the dribble (which occurs when the player has the ball come to rest in one or both hands) is, by definition, the beginning of the hold. When the ball comes to rest in even one hand the dribble has ended, the hold has begun, and the travel rules come into effect. If you would not let the player turn the ball back over for another dribble, you have deemed they are holding the ball by the definitions in the book relating to how the dribble ends. There is no requirement that the "hold" be with two hands securely in front of the player. Once the ball is in the player's hand and it isn't going back down, he's holding it.

I don't mind if we're not calling it that way. Lets just be honest that we're calling it different than the book defines it to be and stop pretending that a player holding the ball isn't holding the ball.