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Old Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:54am
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Louisville/NC State travel on 3pt play (Video)

I'm surprised that no one else has mentioned this yet.
With 3:05 remaining in the Louisville/NC State game there is a discussion worthy play.

The dribbler picks up his dribble just inside the 3pt line with his left foot on the floor. He jumps off that foot and lands on his right foot inside the FT lane. At this time there appears to be arm to arm contact with the defender. Perhaps this is a foul, perhaps not. His left foot then returns to the floor and there is significant contact with the defender. The new Lead in transition begins to call a foul as the offensive player elevates and scores. He counts the baskets and awards one FT.

I have either a travel before the foul or the beginning of the act of shooting, a foul followed by a travel, which cancels the goal, and two FTs. In the game, this offensive player gained a huge illegal advantage by his footwork.
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Old Sat Mar 28, 2015, 05:46am
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Old Sat Mar 28, 2015, 02:56pm
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I'm surprised that no one else has mentioned this yet.
With 3:05 remaining in the Louisville/NC State game there is a discussion worthy play.

The dribbler picks up his dribble just inside the 3pt line with his left foot on the floor. He jumps off that foot and lands on his right foot inside the FT lane. At this time there appears to be arm to arm contact with the defender. Perhaps this is a foul, perhaps not. His left foot then returns to the floor and there is significant contact with the defender. The new Lead in transition begins to call a foul as the offensive player elevates and scores. He counts the baskets and awards one FT.

I have either a travel before the foul or the beginning of the act of shooting, a foul followed by a travel, which cancels the goal, and two FTs. In the game, this offensive player gained a huge illegal advantage by his footwork.
Since this move is rarely called a travel in absence of contact why would you expect it to called a travel when contact is added?
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Eh, I'm fine with putting the gather in the air on this one.
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Eh, I'm fine with putting the gather in the air on this one.
you are being extremely generous.
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you are being extremely generous.
It's judgment, though. What's a gather to one isn't quite a gather to another. Benefit of the doubt goes to the player with the ball, IMO.

I like the game being called like this. Always have. Not bothered that reality doesn't meet the letter of the written rule, either.

I'm sure I had an offensive player in the lane for more than 3 seconds more than 4 times this season, but I'm not bothered that I "missed" those violations, either.
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Eh, I'm fine with putting the gather in the air on this one.
I would have the gather in the air as well
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Most plays like this I have a gather in the air.

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Old Sat Mar 28, 2015, 04:40pm
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Give him continuous motion.
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Old Sun Mar 29, 2015, 09:51am
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I don't see a gather on that move no matter how many times I see it. Clearly offensive player got an advantage on an illegal move to the basket.
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It's judgment, though. What's a gather to one isn't quite a gather to another. Benefit of the doubt goes to the player with the ball, IMO.

I like the game being called like this. Always have. Not bothered that reality doesn't meet the letter of the written rule, either.

I'm sure I had an offensive player in the lane for more than 3 seconds more than 4 times this season, but I'm not bothered that I "missed" those violations, either.
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Most plays like this I have a gather in the air.

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While I too might very well have it in the air in real time, that doesn't change the fact that the video shows that he really had it held in two hands before he jumped. We can dance around it all day but the video doesn't lie.
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Old Mon Mar 30, 2015, 08:52am
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I had a travel live and still do, but my opinion would probably be different if I'm that L, on the run, and from that angle.
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I have a travel due to the dribble ending while the left foot is still on the floor. I will admit that it's close, though. I'd love to see it called a travel.
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Old Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:13pm
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I can see a travel call; or a foul call in the act of shooting (as was called by the officials), but I can't see calling both on this play.

I think the travel, if it happened, occured before the contact on the arm and the contact on the arm would be ignored.
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Old Mon Mar 30, 2015, 02:38pm
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I had a travel live and still do, but my opinion would probably be different if I'm that L, on the run, and from that angle.
I believe that the C has to get this travel.
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