Cincinnati vs Kentucky Contact Dead Ball Technical Foul (Video)

[Nevadaref]

Following the first personal foul the Kentucky player took a swipe at the Cinci player. The Cinci player was no angel, but that action by the Kentucky player meets the definition of a Class A unsporting technical foul. I would penalize him right then. I don't see the actions of anything else in this clip rising to that level. I do not agree with the technical foul that was eventually assessed to the Kentucky player following the second personal foul. Ellis of Cinci actually moved to his right to pick off Harrison as he walks by and makes his shoulder bump look worse. I would tell those two to knock it off and keep an eye them for further issues.

Lastly, please compare the language in 10-3-1d with the text of the new 10-3-2i. Curious that one uses "and" and the other "or" when they are basically the same in the rest of the rule. Why the difference for players versus bench personnnel?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

...I do not agree with the technical foul that was eventually assessed to the Kentucky player following the second personal foul. Ellis of Cinci actually moved to his right to pick off Harrison as he walks by and makes his shoulder bump look worse. I would tell those two to knock it off and keep an eye them for further issues.
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And if Ellis did the exact same thing later on, would you call a T or tell him to knock it off again? If you would call a T, what would it be for?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And if Ellis did the exact same thing later on, would you call a T or tell him to knock it off again? If you would call a T, what would it be for?

No.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

No.

Hmm, "no" to 3 different questions. So if he did it again, just ignore it?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Hmm, "no" to 3 different questions. So if he did it again, just ignore it?

I believe that you are confused. Ellis didn't get T'd for anything during the game. I have stated that I would not have T'd him either. I would continue to observe him though in case his antics cross the threshold for an unsporting technical foul. You inquired if I would T him for the exact same thing again later in the game. The answer is no. His action is below the level of a technical foul no matter how many times he does it. He simply has my attention for the rest of the game so that I don't miss something that he does which does warrant a T.

Apparently, you would have T'd Ellis during this contest. I don't agree with your assessment.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I believe that you are confused. Ellis didn't get T'd for anything during the game. I have stated that I would not have T'd him either. I would continue to observe him though in case his antics cross the threshold for an unsporting technical foul. You inquired if I would T him for the exact same thing again later in the game. The answer is no. His action is below the level of a technical foul no matter how many times he does it. He simply has my attention for the rest of the game so that I don't miss something that he does which does warrant a T.

Apparently, you would have T'd Ellis during this contest. I don't agree with your assessment.

Never said Ellis got T'd in this game. But he got a FF2 in the game prior, so he's already should be on the crew's radar.

After Lyles gets fouled on the first play, Ellis bumps him quite unnecessarily, then Ellis slaps his hand away. Then on the next play Ellis and Harrison make it a point to bump into each other. Yes, I would put a T on Ellis when Harrison got T'd. I'm not spending all game telling players to "knock it off".

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Never said Ellis got T'd in this game. But he got a FF2 in the game prior, so he's already should be on the crew's radar.

After Lyles gets fouled on the first play, Ellis bumps him quite unnecessarily, then Ellis slaps his hand away. Then on the next play Ellis and Harrison make it a point to bump into each other. Yes, I would put a T on Ellis when Harrison got T'd. I'm not spending all game telling players to "knock it off".

I would have whacked Ellis for the initial BS with Lyles. What would you have done?

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Following the first personal foul the Kentucky player took a swipe at the Cinci player. The Cinci player was no angel, but that action by the Kentucky player meets the definition of a Class A unsporting technical foul. I would penalize him right then. I don't see the actions of anything else in this clip rising to that level. I do not agree with the technical foul that was eventually assessed to the Kentucky player following the second personal foul. Ellis of Cinci actually moved to his right to pick off Harrison as he walks by and makes his shoulder bump look worse. I would tell those two to knock it off and keep an eye them for further issues.

Lastly, please compare the language in 10-3-1d with the text of the new 10-3-2i. Curious that one uses "and" and the other "or" when they are basically the same in the rest of the rule. Why the difference for players versus bench personnnel?

FYI, the site committee and John Adams apparently agreed with the official who called the DCTF because he will work the next round.

Originally Posted by dahoopref

FYI, the site committee and John Adams apparently agreed with the official who called the DCTF because he will work the next round.

I'd be surprised if Ray Natili didn't advance to the next round. This tech isn't controversial like the Ed Cooley one.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I'd be surprised if Ray Natili didn't advance to the next round. This tech isn't controversial like the Ed Cooley one.

I don't know about Ray Natili moving on but I do know the official who actually did call the TF is moving on.

[so cal lurker]

Two cents: When the T was called I was surprised. When they showed the replay that was just the contact, I was still surprised. But when they showed the replay so that I noticed he walked 15' to get there to initiate the contact, I changed my mind and thought it was a good call -- it was a calculated move, not a "oh I'm right here" move. YMMV.

Originally Posted by dahoopref

I don't know about Ray Natili moving on but I do know the official who actually did call the TF is moving on.

Who called it? When I was watching live it looked like Natili ended up being C opposite during the FT administration.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Who called it? When I was watching live it looked like Natili ended up being C opposite during the FT administration.

That doesn't necessarily mean he called it. Quite possible the calling official stayed tableside to talk to Pitino about the situation.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That doesn't necessarily mean he called it. Quite possible the calling official stayed tableside to talk to Pitino about the situation.

I know that, just showing my thought process.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Who called it? When I was watching live it looked like Natili ended up being C opposite during the FT administration.

Frames at the 00:48 & 00:49 second mark of the Youtube clip should answer your question.