Cincinnati vs Kentucky Contact Dead Ball Technical Foul (Video)
 

Regarding an earlier discussion on the merits that the exact same standards of a(n) intentional/flagrant technical foul (dead ball contact) must mean the exact physical requirements for a(n) intentional/flagrant personal foul (live ball contact)...



Cincinnati vs UK

Contact dead ball T...perfect example of contact that would be a common foul during live ball play....but called a T during a dead ball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL976eQ6juQ

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It was starting to get chirpy, and I think this was a good T to settle everyone down.

Why did Ellis (Cin) get away with all that instigating? What Harrison (Ken) did isn't right, but how can the officials ignore the fact that Ellis was the root of the problem (at least here, as I don't know what happened before this sequence)?

Officials should have had a quick trigger on Ellis, IMO. He had just been tossed from the previous game for a FF2.

Agreed. The Cincy player was the troublemaker here and got away with a lot of instigating.

This is a great example of how "talking" to the players doesn't always work. We (including myself here) think we can talk to players and get things settled down in these types of situations. Most of the time that works great...but when dealing with known knuckleheads, maybe talking isn't the best way to handle things. If Ellis gets a DB Contact T in the first play, the second probably never happens.

Ellis is some of the most problematic baggage I've seen a coach have to deal with in a long time. To be humbled by the FF2 he had 2 days before and then come back as if nothing had happened....and act with the same shenanigans? Holy smokes.

Tells me he may not have really been as "humbled" as he tried to appear.

shades of Dennis Rodman come to mind.

Following the first personal foul the Kentucky player took a swipe at the Cinci player. The Cinci player was no angel, but that action by the Kentucky player meets the definition of a Class A unsporting technical foul. I would penalize him right then. I don't see the actions of anything else in this clip rising to that level. I do not agree with the technical foul that was eventually assessed to the Kentucky player following the second personal foul. Ellis of Cinci actually moved to his right to pick off Harrison as he walks by and makes his shoulder bump look worse. I would tell those two to knock it off and keep an eye them for further issues.

Lastly, please compare the language in 10-3-1d with the text of the new 10-3-2i. Curious that one uses "and" and the other "or" when they are basically the same in the rest of the rule. Why the difference for players versus bench personnnel?

And if Ellis did the exact same thing later on, would you call a T or tell him to knock it off again? If you would call a T, what would it be for?

No.

Hmm, "no" to 3 different questions. So if he did it again, just ignore it?

I believe that you are confused. Ellis didn't get T'd for anything during the game. I have stated that I would not have T'd him either. I would continue to observe him though in case his antics cross the threshold for an unsporting technical foul. You inquired if I would T him for the exact same thing again later in the game. The answer is no. His action is below the level of a technical foul no matter how many times he does it. He simply has my attention for the rest of the game so that I don't miss something that he does which does warrant a T.

Apparently, you would have T'd Ellis during this contest. I don't agree with your assessment.