"Traveling out of bounds" (Video)

[osf777]

Did anyone see the play in the Butler - Texas game? The official signaled traveling when the in-bounder went outside of his designated area. I thought the signal for this was just an open hand, then point to the spot. I didn't think traveling was a signal for an out of bounds play. Can someone fill me in?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by osf777

Did anyone see the play in the Butler - Texas game? The official signaled traveling when the in-bounder went outside of his designated area. I thought the signal for this was just an open hand, then point to the spot. I didn't think traveling was a signal for an out of bounds play. Can someone fill me in?

You are correct about the signal. Unfortunately not enough people know the proper signal and continue to use the wrong signal. Even though it was correctly called, the wrong signal perpetuates various myths regarding what is lor is not legal on throwins.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by osf777

Did anyone see the play in the Butler - Texas game? The official signaled traveling when the in-bounder went outside of his designated area. I thought the signal for this was just an open hand, then point to the spot. I didn't think traveling was a signal for an out of bounds play. Can someone fill me in?

You are correct. Sometimes, D1 refs get by with sloppy mechanics. Some AAU coach somewhere from my past was watching this and now thinks I was an idiot for calling a T on him for arguing about whether the other team traveled on a throw in.

Originally Posted by osf777

Did anyone see the play in the Butler - Texas game? The official signaled traveling when the in-bounder went outside of his designated area. I thought the signal for this was just an open hand, then point to the spot. I didn't think traveling was a signal for an out of bounds play. Can someone fill me in?

There is no official signal for an inbounding violation, but some officials incorrectly use the travel signal. I get why they use the travel signal but there is nothing related to traveling that applies to the thrower. I think a better signal is the one Bryan Kersey gives here before he whacks Coach K.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by Adam

Some AAU coach somewhere from my past was watching this and now thinks I was an idiot for calling a T on him for arguing about whether the other team traveled on a throw in.

I wouldn't give an AAU coach that much credit.

Originally Posted by Adam

You are correct. Sometimes, D1 refs get by with sloppy mechanics. Some AAU coach somewhere from my past was watching this and still thinks I was an idiot for calling a T on him for arguing about whether the other team traveled on a throw in.

Fixed that for ya.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Fixed that for ya.

True enough.

[ILRef80]

Originally Posted by osf777

Did anyone see the play in the Butler - Texas game? The official signaled traveling when the in-bounder went outside of his designated area. I thought the signal for this was just an open hand, then point to the spot. I didn't think traveling was a signal for an out of bounds play. Can someone fill me in?

It's so disappointing to see guys at the highest level perpetuating this myth.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

... the wrong signal perpetuates various myths regarding what is or is not legal on throwins.

Originally Posted by Adam

Some AAU coach somewhere from my past was watching this and now thinks I was an idiot for calling a T on him for arguing about whether the other team traveled on a throw in.

Originally Posted by ILRef80

It's so disappointing to see guys at the highest level perpetuating this myth.

Bingo. Bingo. Bingo.

Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game

"Don't move”, said to an inbounding player, by an official, before a designated spot throw-in, is another statement that should probably go unsaid. According to the rules, that player can move laterally within a three foot wide area, can jump up, and can move as far back as time, and space, will allow. Better statement: “Designated spot”, while pointing to the spot.

The Most Misunderstood Basketball Rules

A player inbounding the ball may step on, but not over the line. During a designated spot throwin, the player inbounding the ball must keep one foot on or over the three-foot wide designated spot. An inbounding player is allowed to jump or move one or both feet. A player inbounding the ball may move backward as far as the five-second time limit or space allows. If player moves outside the three-foot wide designated spot it is a throwin violation, not traveling. In gymnasiums with limited space outside the sidelines and endlines, a defensive player may be asked to step back no more than three feet. A player inbounding the ball may “dribble” the ball on the out-of-bounds area prior to making a throwin. After a goal, or awarded goal, the team not credited with the score shall make the throw-in from any point outside the end line. A team retains this “run the endline” privilege if a timeout is called during the dead ball period after the goal. Any player of the team may make a direct throw-in, or may pass the ball along the end line to a teammate outside the boundary line.

[Reffing Rev.]

I debate whether he did not have a foot over the 3-foot area...and I despise Texas.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

I debate whether he did not have a foot over the 3-foot area...and I despise Texas.

I also thought he kept at least one foot over the 3 foot area at least until the time he called a timeout. Also disagree with the travel mechanic for this sort of violation.

[justacoach]

APG:

Can you pull video of this infraction??

Originally Posted by justacoach

APG:

Can you pull video of this infraction??

I'm sure he would if you could find the timestamp so he doesn't have to search for it!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

There is no official signal for an inbounding violation, but some officials incorrectly use the travel signal.
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I think a better signal is the one Bryan Kersey gives here before he whacks Coach K.

It is signal 26 in this version of the chart: http://www.ovyl.org/documents/2013/1...nd-signals.gif

[BlueDevilRef]

I'll admit I, prior to becoming an official, believed this myth and just thought that was the call when it happened. I recall Kyle Singler from Duke being called for it in a game a few years ago after he started to run the endline on a spot throw. I just thought it was the way it was done. Sometimes we forget, as officials, that most people have no clue what is going on and that is only made worse when high level officials continue to make the mistake of using that mechanic.