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Massachusetts D3 semifinals in Mass End of Regulation (Video)
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1. It appears current C may have missed the last rotation and is still at T.
2. Can't see contact from the camera angle. If I'm at that angle on the floor, I have nothing. 3. In slow mo, ball is resting on shooter's (actually tapper's) hands when backboard light goes off...no goal. 4. Coming together and discussing would be advisable...provided SOMEBODY on the crew has a definitive answer as to whether it should count.
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1. The official is not in the normal "home" position for a Center, but he actually may have a better angle to judge the contact on W10. I can't say that being a few feet higher here impacts the decisions.
2. I believe that W10 is fouled while an airborne shooter. The defender undercuts him. 3. The final putback is clearly late and should not have counted. The video can be paused with the ball still in his hands and the red lights on to prove this, but I thought late in real speed. Too bad for the team which lost. 4. If another crew member is 100%, then this info should be communicated to the calling official before they depart. If another official is the R and he disagrees with the C, he has the authority to overrule this particular decision. PS the crew did well to not call a foul in favor of the initial ball handler near the FT line. The defender was legal and the ball handler moved into him. |
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Is there video review / monitor available at the D-3 semis? If so, the last shot would / should be reviewed (but not changed).
for the rest, I agree with Nevada and Bad Zebra (except I think there's enough from the video to get a foul) |
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In my opinion a rotation is not advisable as there is a shot from the FT line. He can't call a foul for Red putting his backside into W10 on the way down as he is straight-lined from this contact. There may be a slight touch on the left wrist as W10 gathers the rebound, but that's hard to tell and he should not come across the lane for something that isn't obvious and with such little time remaining. He may not even be able to judge the last shot as he has a great view of the release, but the red lights on the backboard may be too high for him to clearly observe from his endline position. Perhaps he can see the lights illuminate on the backboard at the far end of the court while looking at the shooter. I think that it's hard to find fault with the Lead for anything here. |
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1. I have no problem with the starting position based on the players positioning for the inbounds pass. Would think he might have moved down as soon as the ball was received.
2. Looks like W10 gets undercut. 3. Shot was late. 4. Considering he counted it right away, I would assume no monitor available and we have to let him die with it unless we are certain or have other information to give him.
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Anyway, if you could review, yes you should, and in disagreement with Bob, why wouldn't you change it? The ball was clearly dead before release. |
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Clarification
I believe the D-3 here refers to the MA HS division and this is being played under Fed rules, so a replay couldn't help since it is not a state final.
Edit - Confirmed it is a high school game and it was in its 2nd OT - http://highschoolsports.masslive.com...te-semifinals/ Last edited by RefCT; Fri Mar 13, 2015 at 11:45am. |
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This is a H.S. Division 3 state semifinal game (winner of the next game is state champion). D1 has the largest schools; D4 has the smallest. While the game clock above the scoreboard shows 0.1 when the light comes on, the "main" clock above the floor showed 0:00. I know this has been a problem (conflicting clocks) at other big arenas. Regardless, the red light rules. Let's be real clear about the rules, since few of us work high school games with replays. TV replay is allowed "during state championship series" (2-2-1 note) to determine if the shot should count. I don't think there was a TV crew (and monitor) available, so while it is allowed by rule, it requires some effort to have everything in place. While there is nothing spelled out about "state championship series," there is no doubt the semifinal game is part of that series. I think every playoff game qualifies under this rule, since they all are part of the "championship series." But most early round games are played at local high schools with no TV available. Starting with the regional semifinals, games are played at larger arenas (college venues, large high schools and even NBA arenas). But I do not think there has been any replay available since this rule was inserted a few years ago. White was losing by 2 at the time (end of regulation.) It eventually lost in double OT, so these calls had no direct bearing on which team won. Last edited by BayStateRef; Fri Mar 13, 2015 at 01:51pm. |
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Electrically speaking, a light, particularly if it is LED based, is faster to turn on than triggering the numbers on the clock. So, when the "0" signal is sent to the various clocks and the LED light, the LED light behind the board could appear before the clock shifts to 0.0....and it (the LED light) would be the accurate indicator. That is why it is the official indicator when present.
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