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Old Mon Jan 26, 2015, 09:17am
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NC State -- Notre Dame end of regulation (Video)

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Nc State has to go the length of the floor.

They throw a baseball pass all the way to the other end.... While Ball is in flight NC State guy who was going to catch is pushes off clearly and foul is called on him.

The officials ran time off the clock... -- no idea why because foul clearly happended before the ball was touched.

Anyone have video of this? Very interesting play.
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Old Mon Jan 26, 2015, 05:36pm
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I asked the same question. Pretty sure they missed that one. Should have been treated as a "dead ball" foul. In that case 2 other questions arise.
Not so sure but also wondering:

1) why did ND not get the ball under their own basket instead of under NCSt basket since NCSt never established control of the ball over half court at all?

2) Is it really an offensive foul or should that be considered a loose ball foul since it's up for grabs? In the case of loose ball foul ND would be shooting...

Finally - If ND had lost and we're right about either or both of the the first two questions, could they protest the game and get the last 1.8 seconds replayed?
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Old Mon Jan 26, 2015, 05:55pm
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I asked the same question. Pretty sure they missed that one. Should have been treated as a "dead ball" foul. In that case 2 other questions arise.
Not so sure but also wondering:

1) why did ND not get the ball under their own basket instead of under NCSt basket since NCSt never established control of the ball over half court at all?

2) Is it really an offensive foul or should that be considered a loose ball foul since it's up for grabs? In the case of loose ball foul ND would be shooting...

Finally - If ND had lost and we're right about either or both of the the first two questions, could they protest the game and get the last 1.8 seconds replayed?
Look up the definition of a live ball.

1) Throw-ins following a personal foul are nearest where the foul occurred.

2) There is no such thing as a loose ball foul. NC State had control at the time the foul occurred (look up the definition of team control). You do not shoot free throws for a team control foul.

And no, there are no protests in basketball.
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Old Mon Jan 26, 2015, 06:10pm
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And no, there are no protests in basketball.
NBA permits some -- very rare -- protests.

I may misrecall the details slightly, but I think it was a team Shaq was on protested because the referees didn't let them sub Shaq into the game in the final seconds. Between the time the game was played and the protest was granted on that ground, Shaq had been traded -- but they still got to replay the final seconds.
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2) There is no such thing as a loose ball foul. NC State had control at the time the foul occurred (look up the definition of team control). You do not shoot free throws for a team control foul.

And no, there are no protests in basketball.
On your second point, the NBA has a category of fouls called a loose ball foul. It's a foul committed when neither team is in control of the ball. Now just going off the the description of the OP and without seeing the play yet, it doesn't sound as it would be a LBF.
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On your second point, the NBA has a category of fouls called a loose ball foul. It's a foul committed when neither team is in control of the ball. Now just going off the the description of the OP and without seeing the play yet, it doesn't sound as it would be a LBF.
Yes, however this is NCAA rules being discussed.
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Yes, however this is NCAA rules being discussed.
Just pointing out where the confusion may come from as it appears the person you were replying to isn't an official but a fan.
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I the official got hoodwinked on that one.

Yes, the offensive player had his hand in contact with the defender but I don't see anywhere near enough force to cause the reaction that followed. The defender jumped away from the contact creating the appearance of a foul.

The view from behind makes it most apparent. It shows that the offensive player's arm really wasn't even in the back of the defender at all but maybe to on his side. A push form that point wouldn't have caused the movement seen from the defender.

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