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Since the clock is not visible in either video, perhaps the T observed it not starting properly and used his visible count (good mechanic by him, especially since a 10-second count was not in play) to measure the remaining time rather than blow a frantic final play dead in mid-dribble/pass/shot.
So when/if THAT time ran out, he blew it dead, albeit uncomfortably late, given that it came well after the horn. I guess the video is inconclusive after all. Apologies for popping off 2 posts earlier. What is not inconclusive is whether the release of the shot beat the horn. Whether that horn signaled the end of a final sequence that began with a proper start we will likely never know, since video of such would surely have surfaced by now. |
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IMO, had the T in the OP attempted to put a whistle to the horn, it could have possibly forced his cognitive side to come to the correct conclusion that the ball was clearly out of the shooter's hand at the time the horn sounded. Rather, it looks like perhaps he used the technique as espoused by you and BNR, which is completely fine. However, the end result for the T, at least in this particular circumstance, is that he got it wrong.
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IUGrad if that is what is done in your area, then by all means blow your whistle when the horn goes. There is not one person that has replied that agrees with that "mechanic" as all it does is add confusion. The only time your whistle should coincide with the horn nm is if you are blowing the shot dead, otherwise, as has been stated previously, your whistle should not come until the try is good or is obvious it will be missed.
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I can just tell you that in 18+ years I have not had one case of added confusion. If anything it has only added clarity, as I've been a part of my fair share of 'buzzer beaters'/shots taken close to the horn, and I have never left the court with the confusion I see in the OP or with a coach still wondering why I counted the basket or why I waved it off. It just simply has never happened. You have every right to add conjecture as to what 'might' happen with my "mechanic", but at the same time, I can give actual testimony of 18+ years of using it. Maybe you would be willing to put your two cents as to why there was so much confusion at the end of this OP video and if you think it was the correct call?
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But I would encourage other readers here to NOT do that. I've worked in multiple states and multiple organizations and this would not be seen as an acceptable mechanic in any of them. I do not see any benefit from using this mechanic but see significant room for argument, questioning and confusion. My approach is similar to BNR - if the ball is in the shooters hand at time of horn, blow the whistle immediately. If the ball has been released before the horn, wait until the ball has gone in or is clearly unsuccessful. Then blow the whistle. This is the expected mechanic everywhere I have worked. There will always be the possibility of argument, but no one is confused by this sequence. Even in the video: No one is confused about the ruling; they question the accuracy of the call Last edited by jpgc99; Thu Mar 12, 2015 at 12:39pm. |
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So as an "off" official, you're not calling a foul off-ball (ie. hitting your whistle) while a shot is in flight? Of course you would because the whistle does not make the ball dead. Same philosophy applies my friend.....
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The calling official in the OP did exactly as you prescribe and got the play wrong. All I am saying is that my "mechanic" may perhaps enhance and increase the probability of getting it right. Could you not conclude that the philosophy/technique/mechanic that the calling official used, did not work in this particular play, and in turn added confusion??
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The calling official waited a full second, if not longer, to blow his whistle after the horn, try for goal was over, and still waves it off?? Now THAT is added confusion....
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However, where the ball is when you blow your whistle has absolutely no bearing on the play. All that matters is the status of the ball when time expires. Your whistle is after the expiration of time so it really doesn't help you pinpoint the proper time. The best practice is to have a mental count so that you are not caught off guard and can know where the ball is at the exact time of expiration. I always keep a mental count so that I am not surprised by the horn. In reality, I think your focus on blowing the whistle helps you because it keeps you focused on not being surprised by the horn. If that works for you, great. But from my experience this is not a mechanic that would be approved in many places. When in Rome... |
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Another When In Rome Situation ???
And by that, are you talking about a rookie official observing you and comparing what you do on the court with what he is supposed to do according to the NFHS (or IAABO) Mechanics Manual he has in his hands?
Or, if this is another one of those "When in Rome" things, and if that's the case, then, by all means, continue doing it.
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(Rule 1.14) "...... the audible timer's signal (i.e. horn) shall indicate that time has expired." And it does help you pinpoint proper time, as long as you have reasonable time/end of quarter awareness. I've been doing it for many, many years, so I can only speak for my experience. Saying "it doesn't help you" is based on....................??
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And there was no confusion in the OP, everyone knew he waved off the basket. Your procedure actually has absolutely nothing to do with what happened in the video.
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