Legal or no?

[Coach Bill]

After a made basket, the visitors called timeout. After the timeout, they ran an inbounds play where the inbounder passed the ball out of bounds to a teammate along the baseline, then the inbounder stepped inbounds and his teammate passed him the ball. I thought this would be legal, but the official ruled a violation. What say you?

[just another ref]

I assume you mean the timeout was granted immediately after the made basket and before a throw-in?

If so, yes, following the timeout the throw-in team retains the right to run the endline or the thrower may pass to a teammate out of bounds, then step in and receive the throw-in pass.

legal play

[VaTerp]

Where you at my game tonight? Seriously...do you live in the DC area?

I had this exact play with one key additional detail. The visitors inbounded the ball and the player and coach both signaled for the timeout. The player was standing on the court with the ball in his hand and signaling timeout and it was reported at the table that the time out was called by blue #24.

I told the player he had a spot throw in before administering and he then proceeded to pass it to his teamate out of bounds. It took me a second to process it but it was a clear violation.

Coach got animated for a second and wanted an explanation, but after talking to me for a quick second, one of my partners reminded the coach that the timeout was granted when his player was standing a good 5-6 ft onto the court and signaling timeout above his head. Coach's response....."oh yeah."

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

Where you at my game tonight? Seriously...do you live in the DC area?

I had this exact play with one key additional detail. The visitors inbounded the ball and the player and coach both signaled for the timeout. The player was standing on the court with the ball in his hand and signaling timeout and it was reported at the table that the time out was called by blue #24.

I told the player he had a spot throw in before administering and he then proceeded to pass it to his teamate out of bounds. It took me a second to process it but it was a clear violation.

Coach got animated for a second and wanted an explanation, but after talking to me for a quick second, one of my partners reminded the coach that the timeout was granted when his player was standing a good 5-6 ft onto the court and signaling timeout above his head. Coach's response....."oh yeah."

I was at your game! I must have missed the inbound after the made basket. I didn't think it was a spot throw-in. And, yeh, the whistle wasn't on the first pass, but the second pass, so I was like, what's wrong with that? Good call.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

I was at your game! I must have missed the inbound after the made basket. I didn't think it was a spot throw-in. And, yeh, the whistle wasn't on the first pass, but the second pass, so I was like, what's wrong with that? Good call.

Crazy. Yeah, the whistle was late but it was a violation as soon as he passed the ball outside of the designated throw in spot. That's a really loud and tight gym so its easy to miss things.

There were some weird plays/situations including one of my partners tossing a fan with 12.3 seconds left in the game.

It was a hell of a HS playoff game though!

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I told the player he had a spot throw in before administering and he then proceeded to pass it to his teamate out of bounds. It took me a second to process it but it was a clear violation.

Did you tell both coaches the spot and status of the ensuing throw-in? Did you signal publically that it was a spot throw-in before you handed the player the ball?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Did you tell both coaches the spot and status of the ensuing throw-in? Did you signal publically that it was a spot throw-in before you handed the player the ball?

Are you saying that simply telling the thrower is not enough?

Originally Posted by just another ref

Are you saying that simply telling the thrower is not enough?

By rule or best practice to prevent problems?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

By rule or best practice to prevent problems?

Notifying both coaches (unless they asked) seems excessive to me.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Notifying both coaches (unless they asked) seems excessive to me.

Why? A little extra communication could have prevented the original problem in the OP.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Why? A little extra communication could have prevented the original problem in the OP.

Yeah, but whose problem was it? I'm gonna do my best to tell the thrower and anybody else that asks, but even if I don't, it is ultimately the throwers own responsibility to know. Not unlike putting the ball in play with 6 on the floor.

[bob jenkins]

When the TO is granted, all official, but especially the one with the ball, points to the ground (spot throw in) or gives thelittle hand movement to indicate run.

And, before administering the throw in, the official again points or waves the hand.

No need to go to the huddle to notify the coaches, but most will ask.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

...one of my partners tossing a fan with 12.3 seconds left in the game.

Through the basket? That would be cool.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Are you saying that simply telling the thrower is not enough?

I verbalize for everyone to hear. The defense is supposed to notified as well as the offense.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I verbalize for everyone to hear. The defense is supposed to notified as well as the offense.

I signal to my partners so no one is surprised. We do this in a way that everyone can see it.

I then signal to the thrower and any defenders who are paying attention. I don't yell it so the concession stand can hear me, but I say it loud enough (my voice carries) and I also signal.

I don't go tell the coach either way.