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[bbman]

Would all flagrant fouls be automatic disqualification?

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by bbman

Would all flagrant fouls be automatic disqualification?

Yup, flagrant carry a penalty of two FTs and the ball to the offended team, as well as ejection of the guilty party

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bbman

Would all flagrant fouls be automatic disqualification?

Don't confuse the HS "flagrant" with the NCAA "flagrant"

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Don't confuse the HS "flagrant" with the NCAA "flagrant"

Agree. This is an oversimplification, but for the most part:

NFHS intentional personal = NCAA flagrant 1
NFHS flagrant personal = NCAA flagrant 2 personal
NFHS intentional technical = NCAA contact dead ball technical
NFHS flagrant technical = NCAA flagrant 2 technical

[bbman]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Don't confuse the HS "flagrant" with the NCAA "flagrant"

So again, all flagrant fouls in high school are automatic DQ?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bbman

So again, all flagrant fouls in high school are automatic DQ?

Yes.

In college it's "all flagrant 2 fouls are automatic DQ + ejection."

Worth noting here that ejections in NFHS games are not usually included with players because they are minors (liability issue to have them off on their own). If an individual does need to leave the visual confines to avoid an escalating situation, he/she should be supervised by an adult for the remainder of the game.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Yes.

In college it's "all flagrant 2 fouls are automatic DQ + ejection."

Worth noting here that ejections in NFHS games are not usually included with players because they are minors (liability issue to have them off on their own). If an individual does need to leave the visual confines to avoid an escalating situation, he/she should be supervised by an adult for the remainder of the game.

I've always known this to be true, and I know its been a discussion on this board in the last month or so, but do you know where in the rule book this is cited? Was looking for it the other day when I explained it to a fellow official, but I couldn't find where it actually says that.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I've always known this to be true, and I know its been a discussion on this board in the last month or so, but do you know where in the rule book this is cited? Was looking for it the other day when I explained it to a fellow official, but I couldn't find where it actually says that.

10-3 sends dq player to team bench. case play 10.5 says you can require team to escort him to locker room if need be...incite crowd etc. thx

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by BigCat

10-3 sends dq player to team bench. case play 10.5 says you can require team to escort him to locker room if need be...incite crowd etc. thx

Thanks, as I read that, it's another wording of a rule that seems to leave a little doubt. The case play says "...the official should require the individual who has committed a flagrant foul to leave the facility of the court with an adult supervisor." The book often uses absolute words, such as "require," and then you read something that says should? Just one more thing for people with no life, such as myself, to nit-pick...