Using teammates to foul?

[potato]

would you also give a flagrant & eject the player if the contact was too dangerous even though he didn't walk his way into the contact but pushed by the player, or will you just call a normal foul?

so in no way the pushing teammate will get called for a foul even if it's unsportsmanlike such as this?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by potato

would you also give a flagrant & eject the player if the contact was too dangerous even though he didn't walk his way into the contact but pushed by the player, or will you just call a normal foul?

so in no way the pushing teammate will get called for a foul even if it's unsportsmanlike such as this?

You're suggesting that a player might shove his own teammate with enough force to call a flagrant foul for the resulting contact with an opponent. All I can say is, when that happens, you post the video and we'll give it all the attention it deserves.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by potato

would you also give a flagrant & eject the player if the contact was too dangerous even though he didn't walk his way into the contact but pushed by the player, or will you just call a normal foul?

so in no way the pushing teammate will get called for a foul even if it's unsportsmanlike such as this?

If A1 is airborne for a dunk or layup and B1 shoves B2 into A1 such that the contact takes out A1's legs and causes him to crash to the floor, I certainly would consider an intentional or flagrant foul on B2. Yes, the real fault lies with B1, but there is no rule permitting the official to penalize him for such an act.

Teammates may be penalized for committing unsporting behavior or acts of violence (fighting) against each other, but I don't see that as applying in the cases posited.

[La Rikardo]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If A1 is airborne for a dunk or layup and B1 shoves B2 into A1 such that the contact takes out A1's legs and causes him to crash to the floor, I certainly would consider an intentional or flagrant foul on B2. Yes, the real fault lies with B1, but there is no rule permitting the official to penalize him for such an act.

Teammates may be penalized for committing unsporting behavior or acts of violence (fighting) against each other, but I don't see that as applying in the cases posited.

While the contact personal foul can only be charged to B2, I think the act of pushing a teammate into an opponent could be construed by the officials to be an unsporting technical foul the push is seen to be with clear intent to harm A1.

[Nevadaref]

What if B1 pushes an official into A1 while he is attempting a jumpshot?

[La Rikardo]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What if B1 pushes an official into A1 while he is attempting a jumpshot?

B1 is charged with a flagrant unsporting technical foul for disrespectfully contacting an official. If A1 is in the act of shooting when the foul occurs, continuous motion will apply and the ball will not become dead until the try ends. A goal may be scored in this circumstance. Team A will shoot two free throws and will be awarded a division-line throw-in. B1 will be disqualified.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

While the contact personal foul can only be charged to B2, I think the act of pushing a teammate into an opponent could be construed by the officials to be an unsporting technical foul the push is seen to be with clear intent to harm A1.

Consider the definition in 4-19-14. Is the context appropriate?

[La Rikardo]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Consider the definition in 4-19-14. Is the context appropriate?

Yes. Pushing a teammate in an effort to foul an opponent is an example of "...any behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play."

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

Yes. Pushing a teammate in an effort to foul an opponent is an example of "...any behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play."

That's not the part of the rule to which I was referring. Try "is a noncontact technical foul..."

[Altor]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That's not the part of the rule to which I was referring. Try "is a noncontact technical foul..."

And as was pointed out as the reason you cannot call a personal foul on B1...he didn't contact A1.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by potato

would you also give a flagrant & eject the player if the contact was too dangerous even though he didn't walk his way into the contact but pushed by the player, or will you just call a normal foul?

so in no way the pushing teammate will get called for a foul even if it's unsportsmanlike such as this?

This is an interesting question. If B1 throws B2 into an opponent with such force that you may have a flagrant foul, I'm not going to DQ B2, I'm going to DQ B1 with a flagrant technical foul.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Adam

This is an interesting question. If B1 throws B2 into an opponent with such force that you may have a flagrant foul, I'm not going to DQ B2, I'm going to DQ B1 with a flagrant technical foul.

Enjoy watching that DQ get rescinded by your league/state office, perhaps the game get replayed, and you get suspended.