Definite Knowledge?

[La Rikardo]

Originally Posted by That Guy

From a coach friend of mine:

MS game (not that it matters in this one):
A down by 1, 6 seconds left, H ball in the backcourt following a timeout.

A brings the ball up court, several passes are made before they end up with a layup to win the game at the buzzer.

As the R consults with the timer to confirm whether it was released in time, the timer informs the R that she hadn't stopped the clock quickly enough before the timeout, so she made up for it by holding for a moment before starting when the official chopped in time on the throw-in.

Officials confer, and determine they now have definite knowledge of a timing error and wave off the basket. Game over, B wins.

Were the officials correct?

If no official has definite knowledge regarding the time, the goal must count. Regardless of whether the timer made a mistake, the time on the clock is all that matters unless an official has definite knowledge of what the time should be.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

If no official has definite knowledge regarding the time, the goal must count. Regardless of whether the timer made a mistake, the time on the clock is all that matters unless an official has definite knowledge of what the time should be.

Definite knowledge may be obtained by consulting with the timer. Since that was done here with the timer stating that she purposely didn't start the clock for a couple of seconds, if the officials know that the basket was scored in the final two seconds, canceling the goal would be proper.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Definite knowledge may be obtained by consulting with the timer. Since that was done here with the timer stating that she purposely didn't start the clock for a couple of seconds, if the officials know that the basket was scored in the final two seconds, canceling the goal would be proper.

No certain number of seconds was mentioned in the OP. And even if it had been, it is highly unlikely that the amount of time involved in the late stoppage was anything other than a guess. That would eliminate the possibility of the timer's overall adjustments, or lack thereof, as being anything definite.

[mutantducky]

check out this video. That's an interesting call by the refs...

http://www.maxpreps.com/blogs/maxwir...ck-mistake.htm

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

check out this video. That's an interesting call by the refs...

http://www.maxpreps.com/blogs/maxwir...ck-mistake.htm

Oooh. I read the quote by the woman who said, "definitely less than a second," and I thought, "sounds like the claim of a biased homer." But then I watched the video and it was definitely less than a second. Probably not much more than a half a second, actually. Hard to believe they took this one away. Ouch.

That said, the timer shares a lot of the blame. Probably a home fan who got caught up in the moment. Gotta keep it serious and professional for all 32 minutes, not just 31:59.

[mutantducky]

The video is from a different source than the OP

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Oooh. I read the quote by the woman who said, "definitely less than a second," and I thought, "sounds like the claim of a biased homer." But then I watched the video and it was definitely less than a second. Probably not much more than a half a second, actually. Hard to believe they took this one away. Ouch.

That said, the timer shares a lot of the blame. Probably a home fan who got caught up in the moment. Gotta keep it serious and professional for all 32 minutes, not just 31:59.

I once worked in a gym that did not have the ability to show tenths of a second on the scoreboard, but the control box at the table had a digital reading that DID show it. We never had an issue, but as we were talking about it, we decided that since they were not visibly displayed on the scoreboard, we shouldn't be able to use them. For example, if there were 0.2 seconds left on the clock, the scoreboard would show 0:01. A shot should not be allowed under 0.3, but you don't have that definite knowledge, then that rule shouldn't apply.

So here's the question, can you use the knowledge of less than 0.3 on the scorekeeper's digital readout that is NOT on the gym's scoreboard to make a decision?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by frezer11

So here's the question, can you use the knowledge of less than 0.3 on the scorekeeper's digital readout that is NOT on the gym's scoreboard to make a decision?

It's been discussed here before (but not in many years, I don't think) -- the general consensus is "no" -- use the information on the visible scoreboard only.