Definite Knowledge?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

check out this video. That's an interesting call by the refs...

http://www.maxpreps.com/blogs/maxwir...ck-mistake.htm

Oooh. I read the quote by the woman who said, "definitely less than a second," and I thought, "sounds like the claim of a biased homer." But then I watched the video and it was definitely less than a second. Probably not much more than a half a second, actually. Hard to believe they took this one away. Ouch.

That said, the timer shares a lot of the blame. Probably a home fan who got caught up in the moment. Gotta keep it serious and professional for all 32 minutes, not just 31:59.

[mutantducky]

The video is from a different source than the OP

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Oooh. I read the quote by the woman who said, "definitely less than a second," and I thought, "sounds like the claim of a biased homer." But then I watched the video and it was definitely less than a second. Probably not much more than a half a second, actually. Hard to believe they took this one away. Ouch.

That said, the timer shares a lot of the blame. Probably a home fan who got caught up in the moment. Gotta keep it serious and professional for all 32 minutes, not just 31:59.

I once worked in a gym that did not have the ability to show tenths of a second on the scoreboard, but the control box at the table had a digital reading that DID show it. We never had an issue, but as we were talking about it, we decided that since they were not visibly displayed on the scoreboard, we shouldn't be able to use them. For example, if there were 0.2 seconds left on the clock, the scoreboard would show 0:01. A shot should not be allowed under 0.3, but you don't have that definite knowledge, then that rule shouldn't apply.

So here's the question, can you use the knowledge of less than 0.3 on the scorekeeper's digital readout that is NOT on the gym's scoreboard to make a decision?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by frezer11

So here's the question, can you use the knowledge of less than 0.3 on the scorekeeper's digital readout that is NOT on the gym's scoreboard to make a decision?

It's been discussed here before (but not in many years, I don't think) -- the general consensus is "no" -- use the information on the visible scoreboard only.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jerkins

It's been discussed here before (but not in many years, I don't think) -- the general consensus is "no" -- use the information on the visible scoreboard only.

I also remember it that way. I would still like to see some type of citation. Nevadaref? A little help here, please.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I also remember it that way. I would still like to see some type of citation. Nevadaref? A little help here, please.

It's in the rules. 5-2-5 Note.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It's in the rules. 5-2-5 Note.

And that's what we had concluded. The only issue I have, is if The score clock itself, not the scoreboard, shows 0.2 seconds left, and by whatever means I am made aware of that, I would have a hard time counting a non tap-in when I know it should not have counted.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by frezer11

And that's what we had concluded. The only issue I have, is if The score clock itself, not the scoreboard, shows 0.2 seconds left, and by whatever means I am made aware of that, I would have a hard time counting a non tap-in when I know it should not have counted.

If you feel that way you need to make a point of not being made aware of it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

5-2-5 Note.

When play is resumed with a throw-in or free throw and threetenths
(.3) of a second or less remains on the clock, a player may not gain control
of the ball and try for a field goal. In this situation only a tap could score.
NOTE: This rule does not apply if the clock does not display tenths of a second.

Which clock are they referring to?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When play is resumed with a throw-in or free throw and threetenths
(.3) of a second or less remains on the clock, a player may not gain control
of the ball and try for a field goal. In this situation only a tap could score.
NOTE: This rule does not apply if the clock does not display tenths of a second.

Which clock are they referring to?

The clock is the thing on the wall, not the thing at the table.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The clock is the thing on the wall, not the thing at the table.

I agree with you, but how about some type of citation, anything that we can hang our hat on, something other than our memories.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I agree with you, but how about some type of citation, anything that we can hang our hat on, something other than our memories.

I'm not relying on memory. There is no provision in the rules for checking the time at the table.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If you feel that way you need to make a point of not being made aware of it.

I absolutely agree, I guess I was thinking if you didn't ask and the table buzzed you over and told you for some reason. If they start and stop the clock properly, it shouldn't matter, because they want to get that shot off regardless, but if they aren't as sharp, and the shooter gets the shot off before the buzzer? Man, that leaves a nasty taste in your mouth

[crosscountry55]

I agree with everyone who says the clock on the wall is what matters here.

That said, if you get in the situation where you haven't seen the light/heard the horn, but the clock says either 0.0 or 0:00, one way to confirm the light/horn hasn't malfunctioned is to check the box at the table if it has a digital display. I had a 0.0 situation once, and sure enough the box said 0.02. So we had another throw-in. And then we heard an exceptionally quick horn.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The clock is the thing on the wall, not the thing at the table.

I disagree. The clock is on the table, the display of the clock is on the wall.

If the clock at the table has 0.2, we have 0.2 and we can know it. Why ignore it?