Free throw good, foul on teammate during flight

[La Rikardo]

This is a false double foul situation, as there are fouls by both teams, the second of which occurs before the clock is started following the first. Penalties are administered in the order the fouls occur and the ball is put in play according to the penalty for the second foul.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

This is a false double foul situation, as there are fouls by both teams, the second of which occurs before the clock is started following the first. Penalties are administered in the order the fouls occur and the ball is put in play according to the penalty for the second foul.

Yes. Or in HokiePaul's case, a false multiple foul. Same end result in terms of putting the ball in play according to the penalty for the second foul (because in NFHS, all penalties are administered in the order in which they occur).

[bas2456]

The same situation as the OP came up in my game today. Looks like we got it wrong as we counted the first FT but did not allow the second FT of the initial sequence.

Can anyone find and/or quote a case play? I can't seem to find one in the current book.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bas2456

The same situation as the OP came up in my game today. Looks like we got it wrong as we counted the first FT but did not allow the second FT of the initial sequence.

Can anyone find and/or quote a case play? I can't seem to find one in the current book.

You don't need a case play. What scenario allows you to rescind a legally awarded FT? (it's rhetorical, the answer is none).

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by deecee

You don't need a case play. What scenario allows you to rescind a legally awarded FT? (it's rhetorical, the answer is none).

Thank you. My question stands though.


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[Altor]

It's not a case play, but...

Originally Posted by Rule 10 Penalties Summary

7. In case of a false double foul or a false multiple foul, each foul carries its own penalty.

As deecee said, nothing tells you to cancel or rescind the penalty in this situation.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Thank you. My question stands though.


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5.6.2h is similar but not same. A is winning 61 to 60 and B fouls A1 in ACT of shooting as time expires. A coach runs/screams at referees. T called.

A will now shoot 2 FTs for the shooting foul by B1. (they aren't taken away by the idiot coach foul). The play is in the book to show game isnt over etc til officials leave floor. If coach A doesnt act like idiot we report the foul and leave. Dont shoot the FTs. It does answer your question a bit...you dont cancel any FTs because that team commits a foul. Finish penalizing the first and then move to the next one.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Thank you. My question stands though.


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You're not going to find one. What do you do after the first of 2 FT's the coach for the team shooting the FT's comments that your officiating skill is similar to bovine excrement? Just because it was a player committing a foul doesn't change that we adjudicate in the order things happen to completion.

In reality (I am guessing this was either a lower level game or a girls game) because I know the ball is live during the FT but this just doesn't happen. In reality the first time this contact happens it's ignored unless it's an intentional or flagrant, and the kid would be told to cut that crap off. This is also all prevented when the lead is assertive in his FT mechanics.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by deecee

In reality (I am guessing this was either a lower level game or a girls game) because I know the ball is live during the FT but this just doesn't happen. In reality the first time this contact happens it's ignored unless it's an intentional or flagrant, and the kid would be told to cut that crap off. This is also all prevented when the lead is assertive in his FT mechanics.

Shouldn't matter what level of ball it was. The fact is that a foul happened while the ball is in flight. A2 displaced B1 to create a clear advantage for a potential rebound. Not something I think can be ignored.

The lead (me, in this situation) can say "Go in straight up" or whatever I damn well please until I'm blue in the face...we all know that they don't always listen to what we say.