Free throw good, foul on teammate during flight

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Thank you. My question stands though.


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You're not going to find one. What do you do after the first of 2 FT's the coach for the team shooting the FT's comments that your officiating skill is similar to bovine excrement? Just because it was a player committing a foul doesn't change that we adjudicate in the order things happen to completion.

In reality (I am guessing this was either a lower level game or a girls game) because I know the ball is live during the FT but this just doesn't happen. In reality the first time this contact happens it's ignored unless it's an intentional or flagrant, and the kid would be told to cut that crap off. This is also all prevented when the lead is assertive in his FT mechanics.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by deecee

In reality (I am guessing this was either a lower level game or a girls game) because I know the ball is live during the FT but this just doesn't happen. In reality the first time this contact happens it's ignored unless it's an intentional or flagrant, and the kid would be told to cut that crap off. This is also all prevented when the lead is assertive in his FT mechanics.

Shouldn't matter what level of ball it was. The fact is that a foul happened while the ball is in flight. A2 displaced B1 to create a clear advantage for a potential rebound. Not something I think can be ignored.

The lead (me, in this situation) can say "Go in straight up" or whatever I damn well please until I'm blue in the face...we all know that they don't always listen to what we say.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Shouldn't matter what level of ball it was.

You can think this all you like it doesn't make it true. Neither does calling a displacement foul on the first of 2 FT's. It better have been pretty egregious to make this call IMO. I would have had a chat with the player in the second lane space and if it happened again then I would make the call. But no way in hell, unless intentional or flagrant am I calling this on the FIRST of 2 FT's.

The only thing it will illustrate is how well you know the rules (or don't) when you adjudicate all the action after you call the foul. I will also mention that as much as we are being asked to call the displacement of players in the lane on a FT the expectation is usually on a miss, or that the displacement is of the egregious type. The last thing everyone/anyone (coaches, assignors and partners) wants is a bunch of displacement fouls on made baskets.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by deecee

But no way in hell, unless intentional or flagrant am I calling this on the FIRST of 2 FT's.

The OP is a 1-and-1 situation.

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by ODog

The OP is a 1-and-1 situation.

Ah yes, thank you. I missed the potential miscommunication. Hopefully that clears it up for deecee on why the foul was called. With regard to the situation he was talking about, I totally agree. No foul unless intentional or flagrant.

[APG]

Originally Posted by ODog

The OP is a 1-and-1 situation.

This scenario was one of the stated reasons why NCAA-W did away with the one and one

[bas2456]

Originally Posted by APG

This scenario was one of the stated reasons why NCAA-W did away with the one and one

Do they do the same thing as the NBA? The 5th foul of the quarter is an automatic two shots?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bas2456

Do they do the same thing as the NBA? The 5th foul of the quarter is an automatic two shots?

Yes. Though don't call it the "penalty" lest John Levinson will send you directly to ref jail. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.


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[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by deecee

What do you do after the first of 2 FT's the coach for the team shooting the FT's comments that your officiating skill is similar to bovine excrement?........In reality (I am guessing this was either a lower level game or a girls game) because I know the ball is live during the FT but this just doesn't happen. In reality the first time this contact happens it's ignored unless it's an intentional or flagrant, and the kid would be told to cut that crap off.

Loved the metaphor, made me chuckle out loud. But....I disagree with the mentality that "this just doesn't happen." That's the mentality of an official/crew that is afraid of administering a complex penalty sequence. Look, I'm not saying we don't tend to be a little more lenient on contact involving players entering the lane on free throws because we DO tend to be a little more lenient in that case. But if there's a common foul that needs to be called before the free throw ends, I'm calling it.

Originally Posted by bas2456

Shouldn't matter what level of ball it was. The fact is that a foul happened while the ball is in flight. A2 displaced B1 to create a clear advantage for a potential rebound. Not something I think can be ignored.

Bingo.



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