Most points scored by 1 player on 1 play - 10/15/other?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by luvhoops

Now you know the source of the question, a trivia question asked at a meeting.


It is simple:

1) In one act/motion, A1 attempts an unsuccessful 3-point shot and is fouled by 5 defenders AT THE SAME TIME. How many points can theoretically be scored?

2) In one act/motion, A1 attempts an unsuccessful 3-point shot and is fouled by 5 defenders AT DIFFERENT TIMES. How many points can theoretically be scored?

Those are the plays. There is nothing more to add. There are no viewpoints, technical fouls, or any other information and we are not in space.

Who can simply provide a number and a case/rule as an answer?

The rule on multiple fouls says "AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME"

All fouls during the second play will be "AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME". So, the second play is not a False Multiple Foul play; the second play is a Multiple Foul play.

The first play is also a Multiple Foul play.

So, both plays are adjudicated the same. 10 FTs.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The rule on multiple fouls says "AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME"

All fouls during the second play will be "AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME". So, the second play is not a False Multiple Foul play; the second play is a Multiple Foul play.

The first play is also a Multiple Foul play.

So, both plays are adjudicated the same. 10 FTs.

on the facts now--unsuccessful 3 point shot i will say the answer is 0 can be scored on that play. any free throws are separate plays. as far as the number of free throws--

the definition of false multiple foul says 2 or more fouls by same team and last committed before clock started. we have a case book play which says airborne A1 fouled in act of shooting by B1. B2 slides into landing area and fouls A1 before he gets foot to ground. Ruling calls those false multiple fouls. 2 shots for each. so we know in that situation they are not to be considered "at approximately same time." the play has been in case book forever...

in the second play mentioned we are told that first foul is committed and then the others, different times. say first foul was on arm--last foul a block before shooter returns to floor. 3 in between. i think you would call them all false multiples.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That isn't what is mean by approximately the same/different time.

This is a false multiple.....B1 fouls A1.....clock stops. Durning the FT or the throwin, B2 fouls A1.

If the foul is on the same try, it is approximately the same time, and should be a regular multiple, even if you can discern that one occurred slightly after the other.

If what you suggested were true, it would be possible for the 3-point shooter to get fouled 5 times and miss and get 15 shots (3 points for each foul) since each foul in a false set is penalized independently and in the order of occurrence.
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take a look at the case play--4.19.12. i go up. you foul me in air. i start coming down and before one foot touches ground MD slides under me. you guys on same team. ruling--false multiple--2 free throws each….

it is their play..and yes by that play 15 is the number.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BigCat

take a look at the case play--4.19.12. i go up. you foul me in air. i start coming down and before one foot touches ground MD slides under me. you guys on same team. ruling--false multiple--2 free throws each….

it is their play..and yes by that play 15 is the number.

Yes, I looked it up after I posted that...and deleted my post. According to the case, you're right. It doesn't make a lot of sense, but it is what the case says.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Yes, I looked it up after I posted that...and deleted my post. According to the case, you're right. It doesn't make a lot of sense, but it is what the case says.

agreed...and remember

"once the stands empty and it becomes a free for all, my job is done."

deecee January 14, 2015.

(that makes me laugh every time i think about it...)

[luvhoops]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

The rule on multiple fouls says "AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME"

All fouls during the second play will be "AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME". So, the second play is not a False Multiple Foul play; the second play is a Multiple Foul play.

The first play is also a Multiple Foul play.

So, both plays are adjudicated the same. 10 FTs.

One has to love you bob. We have been discussing Case 4.19.11 and Case 4.19.12. Directly in the book, for Case 4.19.12, it is titled "False Multiple Foul" and you are saying it is not a False Multiple Foul.

Yes, I realize that this is off-topic and apologize. I presume that bob notified the NFHS of their "error" and that they will be correcting it in future case books. What was their response? For any upcoming posts bob, please just quickly indicate that the NFHS book is incorrect. With that, we won't have so many back-and-forth posts. We will know, immediately, to disregard the book, and go by what you say.

At the very least, bob did provide an actual number in his first responsive post.