Ejection

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Maybe I am alone in this, I would have no problem T'ing her up again for that little display. For one if we did not ask her to leave, she is bench personnel. The coach would learn at that point and might take further action. I am not going to be used for your frustration. Again the more action I take, the harder it is to blame me when all of this is in a report.

Peace

I agree. And I don't want to limit myself here, but from the sounds of the OP, I think I'd just give one additional. Maybe 2. But I would like to get the point across without significantly impacting the game and other players on the team. I don't have books handy, but I seem to remember a provision about forfeiting the game if a player/coach is making a mockery of the system (i.e., intentionally getting, 3,4,5 T's called after disqualification). Can someone confirm/deny our authority in that area?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I agree. And I don't want to limit myself here, but from the sounds of the OP, I think I'd just give one additional. Maybe 2. But I would like to get the point across without significantly impacting the game and other players on the team. I don't have books handy, but I seem to remember a provision about forfeiting the game if a player/coach is making a mockery of the system (i.e., intentionally getting, 3,4,5 T's called after disqualification). Can someone confirm/deny our authority in that area?

I would not forfeit the game. To me that would be if there was some noncompliance of the participants like the coaches or administration. That does not seem to be the case here.

I would just want the message to be shown so that the team hurt for the actions of the kid and take more responsibility for her actions. Maybe next time they will not allow them to go across the court in that situation.

Peace

[Rich1]

Would earn a quick T from me when she was still chirping from the bench and would also quickly advise coach of the indirect. If he is unable/unwilling to get her under control then he would soon be able to escort her himself.

[frezer11]

In the OP, when the player walks between the two refs and flips the bird (regardless of whether or not she should've been sent off) would you as an official hit a whistle and signal T at that time? Or wait until the little show was over and figure it out? I only ask because it seems to me that a kid like this clearly doesn't care anymore, and blowing the whistle and calling her for another might only escalate the matter. Thoughts?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by frezer11

blowing the whistle and calling her for another might only escalate the matter. Thoughts?

Escalate which matter? The matter had already been escalated by the kid, whose coach is still responsible for her behavior. Keep in mind this is high school and if we don't penalize this behavior by a kid when it happens, we are not doing our job. The school can deal with the fallout afterward, but if the head coach can't control this kid, then the team has to pay the price for her actions and reactions. Forfeiting the game is extreme in this case - that wouldn't happen, but another T is absolutely going to happen.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Escalate which matter? The matter had already been escalated by the kid, whose coach is still responsible for her behavior. Keep in mind this is high school and if we don't penalize this behavior by a kid when it happens, we are not doing our job. The school can deal with the fallout afterward, but if the head coach can't control this kid, then the team has to pay the price for her actions and reactions. Forfeiting the game is extreme in this case - that wouldn't happen, but another T is absolutely going to happen.

I'm not saying I wouldn't call another T, in fact I'm saying I would. I'm asking if you should make the same signal you would at any other time? It seems it might be wiser to observe the actions until things are under control, then inform the table of the Tech or possibly how many techs.

I guess I'm thinking about it this way: If you're one of the officials 4 feet away from her and blow the whistle right next to her and make your signal, good chance that enrages her further, and next she yells some obscenity at you for calling that. Then you call another. Then she responds. Then another.... You didn't do anything wrong here, but could this have been avoided by simply getting away from the player and reporting all T's after the incident?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by frezer11

I'm not saying I wouldn't call another T, in fact I'm saying I would. I'm asking if you should make the same signal you would at any other time? It seems it might be wiser to observe the actions until things are under control, then inform the table of the Tech or possibly how many techs.

I guess I'm thinking about it this way: If you're one of the officials 4 feet away from her and blow the whistle right next to her and make your signal, good chance that enrages her further, and next she yells some obscenity at you for calling that. Then you call another. Then she responds. Then another.... You didn't do anything wrong here, but could this have been avoided by simply getting away from the player and reporting all T's after the incident?

After the first one (after she's already been ejected), I'd be moving toward the coach quickly and will likely give him a chance to go take care of the situation and get the kid out of the gym. If something like that happened, I'd be inclined to let the coach handle the situation and wait till she's gone and then resume play with all the free throws. I'm not likely to keep piling on T's with every stupid thing she does as long as someone is trying to get her the hell out of the gym.