Just like a test question!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Can't use a three second count to take time off the clock, it must be a visible count.

Reference, please. The rule just says "definite knowledge"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Reference, please. The rule just says "definite knowledge"

Agreed.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Can't use a three second count to take time off the clock, it must be a visible count.

I agree. Any count which is going to be used to remove time needs to be a visible count in this age of video. I'm not getting called in later to defend a mental count. The arm swings will show up on the video.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Reference, please. The rule just says "definite knowledge"

Actually there are two separate rules and "definite information" is in one while an official's count is mentioned in the other.
I have always understood "definite information" to mean an observed time on a clock or a table person telling you an exact number from the computer console or a stat computer, such as play-by-play. There is no ambiguity here and the number is precise. In the absence of this information second NFHS rule permits an official's count to be used to approximate the correct timing. This number won't be exactly right, but it is considered reasonably accurate. Lacking that, the mistake can't be fixed. Simply making a guess at how much time passed in not allowed.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I agree. Any count which is going to be used to remove time needs to be a visible count in this age of video. I'm not getting called in later to defend a mental count. The arm swings will show up on the video.
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