20 Second disqualification count and FT

[Sharpshooternes]

Had a girls sub varsity game a few years back. A1 drives to the basket and B1 is still moving after A1 goes airborne. I have a blocking foul on B1. This is B1's fifth foul. Coach does not like the call at all. I tell her it is the fifth foul and give her a quick one sentence reason why I called what I called. She says "I am done talking to you!" I then turn to the timekeeper and ask for a 20 second replacement interval. 5 seconds. Horn. Coach is just sitting there doing nothing except being angry. 15 seconds and then horn. Whack! T for Bs coach. She says, "I get 30 seconds!" Me: No, you get 20 seconds. Coach: well that wasn't 20 seconds. Me: Coach I had the timer time it, and that was 20 seconds." Made me laugh then and still does now. Silly coaches.

If she doesn't want to talk to me, I am not going to bother with her. Maybe she learned her lesson.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

She says, "I get 30 seconds!"

She was correct, back when she rode her horse to the game.

(Am I right Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?)

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

She was correct, back when she rode her horse to the game.

(Am I right Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.?)

Nah, it was 60 seconds back when . . . but I believe it went to 30 before it went to 20) . . .(and I'm sure Mark or Bob will correct if I'm wrong)

[crosscountry55]

You're right. It was 30 when I started following the game's finer points back in the early 90s. Then it changed to 20 because coaches were taking too much liberty in getting a "free" timeout.

During OT of the Ok St. vs. Mizzou game last night there was a foul out and the announcers were criticizing how long it was taking (this after several monitor reviews that had already made the game take forever). The Ok. St. coach totally milked it for as many seconds as he could get. I think at one point he even said something to the officials about checking something on the monitor, they bought it, and he turned right around for more free "timeout" time with his players. That was his plan the whole time. And then it was hard getting him out of the huddle.

Could the officials have whacked Ok. St. coach with a T? Let us use the three-pronged test for technical fouls:

Does it fit? No (OT, close game, coaches just trying to coach)
Is it effective? Yes.
Can it be defended? Yes.

So I wouldn't give the T because it doesn't fit the situation (not good for the game at that point).

The NCAA rules committee could look at this and make a POE, but I don't think that would change much. It's like improving pace of play in baseball, i.e. very very hard to do.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

and give her a quick one sentence reason why I called what I called.

I've learned not to do this unless they ask. It never seems to end well when I volunteer it.

As for the rest of the story, I would have wanted to add, "time goes faster when you're pouting."

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Adam

I've learned not to do this unless they ask. It never seems to end well when I volunteer it.

As for the rest of the story, I would have wanted to add, "time goes faster when you're pouting."

She did ask. She didn't like the explanation and then decided to be a PITA.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

She did ask. She didn't like the explanation and then decided to be a PITA.

Sadly, this is the #1 reason that I don't work girls basketball. The female coaches seem to gripe and complain far too much.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Sadly, this is the #1 reason that I don't work girls basketball. The female coaches seem to gripe and complain far too much.

I have seen little difference between gender of teams or gender of coaches as to who gripes more. They all gripe too much.

[Rich]

I've called 2 technical fouls in the past 12 years on DQ-replacing situations. Both make me chuckle a bit...now.

The first coach argued that he had a minute to do this. Now, at that point I had been officiating over 15 years and for me it was NEVER a minute. At the time it was 30 seconds and it had always been 30 seconds for me. He kept arguing that and when the horn went at 30 seconds, I whacked him. He KEPT ARGUING that he had a minute, that we were horrible, etc.

The second coach spent the entire time arguing the foul and I knew I was going to whack him one way or another. I decided to wait till the second horn went. When it did, I whacked him and walked away. My partner dealt with the aftermath.

I work with a lot of officials who instruct the timer to NOT give the second horn in that situation until it's requested. I'm OK with that. Last thing I want is the opposing coach arguing for a technical because the sub isn't quite at the X when the second horn goes.

[Sco53]

[QUOTE=Rich;
I work with a lot of officials who instruct the timer to NOT give the second horn in that situation until it's requested. I'm OK with that. Last thing I want is the opposing coach arguing for a technical because the sub isn't quite at the X when the second horn goes.[/QUOTE]

excellent technique!

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I have seen little difference between gender of teams or gender of coaches as to who gripes more. They all gripe too much.

Same here.