20 Second disqualification count and FT

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

No other subs may enter until that sub has been beckoned in.

Even if they had already reported to the table, and were kneeling on the X?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Even if they had already reported to the table, and were kneeling on the X?

The post by Adam is correct. You do not admit other subs until the replacement player has been beckoned in. At that time, you allow all subs who have reported to enter.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You do not admit other subs until the replacement player has been beckoned in. At that time, you allow all subs who have reported to enter.

Sounds good, but I just did a quick rulebook, and casebook, search for "substitute" and I couldn't find a citation. Can someone please provide such a citation for "do not admit other subs until the replacement player has been beckoned in"?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sounds good, but I just did a quick rulebook, and casebook, search for "substitute" and I couldn't find a citation. Can someone please provide such a citation for "do not admit other subs until the replacement player has been beckoned in"?

3-3-1c (from 2012-2013, but I'm sure it's still valid).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

3-3-1c (from 2012-2013, but I'm sure it's still valid).

3-3-1-C-Exception:
A substitute who desires to enter shall report to the scorer, giving his/her number.
c. During multiple free throws resulting from personal fouls, substitutions may be made only
before the final attempt in the sequence and after the final attempt has been converted.
EXCEPTION: When a player is required by rule to be replaced prior to administering the free
throw(s), then all other substitutes who have legally reported may also enter the game.

This just doesn't do it for me, it's about multiple free throws. What if there are substitutes at the table, who have legally reported, and are kneeling on the X, when a player is disqualified, and there will be no free throws taken (no bonus, etc.)? How can we legally not allow those substitutes to enter before the disqualified player is replaced?

Are you sure that you aren't confusing this situation with the situation where a timeout can't be granted until the disqualified player is replaced? I did find a citation for that situation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

3-3-1-C-Exception:
A substitute who desires to enter shall report to the scorer, giving his/her number.
c. During multiple free throws resulting from personal fouls, substitutions may be made only
before the final attempt in the sequence and after the final attempt has been converted.
EXCEPTION: When a player is required by rule to be replaced prior to administering the free
throw(s), then all other substitutes who have legally reported may also enter the game.

This just doesn't do it for me, it's about multiple free throws. What if there are substitutes at the table, who have legally reported, and are kneeling on the X, when a player is disqualified, and there will be no free throws taken (no bonus, etc.)? How can we legally not allow those substitutes to enter before the disqualified player is replaced?

Are you sure that you aren't confusing this situation with the situation where a timeout can't be granted until the disqualified player is replaced? I did find a citation for that situation.

Isn't that what we have -- a DQ'd player requiring to be replaced?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Isn't that what we have -- a DQ'd player requiring to be replaced?

This exception is for multiple free throws. If we have substitutes waiting at the table when a two shot foul is called, they normally have to wait until after the first shot. However, if said foul causes a player to be disqualified, then all (existing substitutes, and replacement for disqualified player) can enter before the first free throw.

Let's see a citation for "do not admit other subs until the replacement player has been beckoned in" for a non free throw shooting situation (no bonus, not a shooting foul, etc.).