20 Second disqualification count and FT

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SAK

Sub must report to the table before the warning horn, 15 seconds remaining in any "time out" situation. Coaches may use the entire 20 seconds however they would like however at the conclusion of the time both teams need to be ready to go. Both teams may also use the break to substitute players but all players that are going to substitute must report before the warning horn.

Secondly, the defense is required to have players occupying the first marked lane spaces. The delay of game is that they are not breaking the huddle properly and being ready to play as opposed to not being in the lane space.

The sub must report before the 20 second horn. No other subs may enter until that sub has been beckoned in. Reporting before the first horn is not a consideration here, it is not a timeout.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

No other subs may enter until that sub has been beckoned in.

Even if they had already reported to the table, and were kneeling on the X?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Even if they had already reported to the table, and were kneeling on the X?

The post by Adam is correct. You do not admit other subs until the replacement player has been beckoned in. At that time, you allow all subs who have reported to enter.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

You do not admit other subs until the replacement player has been beckoned in. At that time, you allow all subs who have reported to enter.

Sounds good, but I just did a quick rulebook, and casebook, search for "substitute" and I couldn't find a citation. Can someone please provide such a citation for "do not admit other subs until the replacement player has been beckoned in"?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Sounds good, but I just did a quick rulebook, and casebook, search for "substitute" and I couldn't find a citation. Can someone please provide such a citation for "do not admit other subs until the replacement player has been beckoned in"?

3-3-1c (from 2012-2013, but I'm sure it's still valid).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

3-3-1c (from 2012-2013, but I'm sure it's still valid).

3-3-1-C-Exception:
A substitute who desires to enter shall report to the scorer, giving his/her number.
c. During multiple free throws resulting from personal fouls, substitutions may be made only
before the final attempt in the sequence and after the final attempt has been converted.
EXCEPTION: When a player is required by rule to be replaced prior to administering the free
throw(s), then all other substitutes who have legally reported may also enter the game.

This just doesn't do it for me, it's about multiple free throws. What if there are substitutes at the table, who have legally reported, and are kneeling on the X, when a player is disqualified, and there will be no free throws taken (no bonus, etc.)? How can we legally not allow those substitutes to enter before the disqualified player is replaced?

Are you sure that you aren't confusing this situation with the situation where a timeout can't be granted until the disqualified player is replaced? I did find a citation for that situation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

3-3-1-C-Exception:
A substitute who desires to enter shall report to the scorer, giving his/her number.
c. During multiple free throws resulting from personal fouls, substitutions may be made only
before the final attempt in the sequence and after the final attempt has been converted.
EXCEPTION: When a player is required by rule to be replaced prior to administering the free
throw(s), then all other substitutes who have legally reported may also enter the game.

This just doesn't do it for me, it's about multiple free throws. What if there are substitutes at the table, who have legally reported, and are kneeling on the X, when a player is disqualified, and there will be no free throws taken (no bonus, etc.)? How can we legally not allow those substitutes to enter before the disqualified player is replaced?

Are you sure that you aren't confusing this situation with the situation where a timeout can't be granted until the disqualified player is replaced? I did find a citation for that situation.

Isn't that what we have -- a DQ'd player requiring to be replaced?