Brainfart Situation

[Mark Padgett]

Be sure to take lessons from this guy if you're going to call intentional fouls.

[OKREF]

NFHS. Isn't a flagrant foul classified as a technical foul. Or is only if it is a dead ball

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by OKREF

NFHS. Isn't a flagrant foul classified as a technical foul. Or is only if it is a dead ball

Flagrant personal = Live ball

Flagrant technical = Dead ball

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Flagrant personal = Live ball

Flagrant technical = Dead ball

Careful. You could have an unsporting flagrant technical foul during a live ball. You could also have a flagrant personal foul on or by an airborne shooter while the ball is dead.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Careful. You could have an unsporting flagrant technical foul during a live ball. You could also have a flagrant personal foul on or by an airborne shooter while the ball is dead.

Correct in that a noncontact technical foul during a live ball could be a flagrant technical.

The ball is not dead until the airborne shooter returns to the floor.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by zm1283

The ball is not dead until the airborne shooter returns to the floor.

Not according to 4-19-1 . . . "A personal foul also includes contact by or on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead."

It is quite often the case that officials must judge contact by or on an airborne shooter, after the ball is dead, (as in, the ball already having passed through the basket). We consider such occurances to be an "exception" to the main portion of the rule.
I realize that it's considered to be semantics, by some, but the consequences of such an exception is the reason for the NOTE that acconpanies 4-19-1 . . . "Contact after the ball has become dead is incidental unless it is ruled intentional or flagrant or is committed by or on an airborne shooter."
And the reasoning for the NCAA restricted zone is partially due to the realities of such necceassary judgements.

[La Rikardo]

Originally Posted by zm1283

The ball is not dead until the airborne shooter returns to the floor.

Huh, I don't see any reference to the airborne shooter in 6-7.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

Huh, I don't see any reference to the airborne shooter in 6-7.

Exception: (after 6-7-9)