Video Request: Dec. 19 Arizona-UTEP Traveling???

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Rich

Some people are truly obsessed about traveling. Shrug.

I am obsessed with anything that is this easy to see that goes uncalled, for whatever reason, this often.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Must have missed it. What was the answer?

You miss a lot of things. But what else is new?

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You miss a lot of things.

Not traveling apparently.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You miss a lot of things. But what else is new?

Peace

Like I said, no answer.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Not traveling apparently.

He is perfect on that rule I guess.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Like I said, no answer.

I gave you an answer originally. You choose to focus on something that is not the case. As usual you are obsessed over traveling and then act like you are so perfect at calling them, but everyone is "ignoring" them. They are missed like many things in life, get over it already.

Peace

[Bad Zebra]

This topic comes up every season...we discuss...agree, disagree...whatever. I'm in the camp that calls it when I see it but I'm often on an island. It's gotten to the point that I bring it up in pre-game and when I'm the crew chief (R), I'll tell my partners "I'm calling it when I see it". Sometimes they follow suit...other times...not so much. My wish is that the Fed would spend less time focusing on crap like leg sleeves and headband colors and come out with a definitive policy on the move. Legalize it or make it a POE like hand checking this year. Until that happens, I don't see anything changing at the HS level. Some guys call it, others ignore it. Inconsistency...and that just makes us all look bad.

[JRutledge]

I call traveling like any other violation. If I see it clearly, I call it. If I have to guess, I will not call it. Do I have games where I feel I miss them? I sure do. But I do not go around acting like because they are not called to my liking, I know better than everyone or ignore them. Heck in some cases I call them when no one agrees with me. But I describe exactly what I saw and do not call what I "think" happened. And these plays are not always easy and not easy when you are trying to focus on contact or plays where contact is part of the move. You might pass on something if you feel they did not do it on their own or the contact was a part of the play. And it is also hard when sometimes the ball leaves your view. I am more upset when I see no control by a ball handler but a travel is called. Those drive me crazy much more than if the pivot foot moved slightly.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

My wish is that the Fed would spend less time focusing on crap like leg sleeves and headband colors and come out with a definitive policy on the move.

I'm sure FED's policy is to call it when it's there.

It's easy to see when there's a video or three titled "look at the travels"; it's a lot harder during a game -- if you give the excuse "I missed the (elephant) foul because I was looking for the (potential / mouse) travel" you won't progress very far.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

if you give the excuse "I missed the (elephant) foul because I was looking for the (potential / mouse) travel" you won't progress very far.

I don't see them as "get one or the other". The ones I call are HS level, slow, non-elegant, and obvious. I'd be happy if just those were called consistently. I don't see a sacrifice of an "elephant" foul happening for the sake of a sloppy spin...at least I haven't to this point.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I don't see them as "get one or the other". The ones I call are HS level, slow, non-elegant, and obvious. I'd be happy if just those were called consistently. I don't see a sacrifice of an "elephant" foul happening for the sake of a sloppy spin...at least I haven't to this point.

Some calls are often about which took place first and why they took place. Sometimes travels happen because legal contact took place and the player just happened to lose their balance. Other times the contact happens because of the contact. And some travels happen right before contact. All judgment situations and all not as easy to see.

As stated, we were only looking for traveling on these videos, in a real game they happen and you have to get them. Not as easy to do.

Peace

[Sharpshooternes]

Look, all three of these plays are a travel but the common thing that I see on all of them is that they are pretty much two official plays and very complex to officiate. All of them should have the lead watching the defense for contact and the trail or C watching the feet for travels. The second is complicated even more due to the fact that the lead is right in the middle of a rotation.

I can see why all three of these were missed. There is a whole lot of stuff going on that requires at least 2 officials to officiate these plays appropriately. I bet these are missed more often in HS than college due to the crew discipline and training to know that it is a two official play. I don't think in at least these instances the officials chose not to call it. I just think they were looking at other (appropriately) things.